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The Gini coefficient
The Gini coefficient is a measure of inequality of a distribution of income.
It is defined as a ratio with values between 0 and 1:
0 corresponds to perfect income equality (i.e. everyone has the same income) and
1 corresponds to perfect income inequality (i.e. one person has all the income, while everyone else has zero income
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2007-7-14 06:09 AM
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While most developed European nations tend to have Gini coefficients between 0.24 and 0.36, the United States Gini coefficient is above 0.4, indicating that the United States has greater inequality.
The Gini coefficient indicates a greater inequality in the US than even in India.
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2007-7-14 06:10 AM
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The Colors man, the colors....
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While most developed European nations tend to have Gini coefficients between 0.24 and 0.36, the United States Gini coefficient is above 0.4, indicating that the United States has greater inequality ...
If I am reading the colors right - then China and U.S. are bad and Japan is the best, next to Greenland?
2007-7-14 06:17 AM
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I Think You Need Some Disparity To Drive Performance
It is also curious to note that the G.I. is like Goldilocks - not too hot and not too cold. If it is too "equal" there is no incentive to thrive. If it is too unequal people give up since there is no point in trying, as the rich always win.
The ones in the middle - China, America, the U.K. are amongst the best performing economically (UK at least when compared to the EU).
2007-7-14 07:23 AM
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I saw the same thing Matt.
And I agree with you tongluren. I think your analysis is spot on.
2007-7-14 07:44 AM
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GINI INDEX 2007 - 2007 CIA WORLD FACTBOOK
Distribution of family income - Gini index 2007
Data source: 2007 CIA World Factbook
* GINI index is a measure of inequality developed by Italian statistician Corrado Gini in 1912, where 0 corresponds with perfect equality and 100 with perfect inequality.
* Most of European countries and Japan and Canada keep lower indices, while former socialist countries show relatively higher indices.
* The US's GINI index is rapidly increasing.
RANK COUNTRY GINI INDEX
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1 Namibia 70.7
2 Lesotho 63.2
3 Botswana 63.0
4 Sierra Leone 62.9
5 Central African Republic 61.3
6 Bolivia 60.6
7 South Africa 59.3
8 Chile 57.1
9 Zimbabwe 56.8
9 Paraguay 56.8
10 Brazil 56.7
11 Panama 56.4
12 Nicaragua 55.1
13 Honduras 55.0
14 Mexico 54.6
15 Colombia 53.8
16 Zambia 52.6
17 El Salvador 52.5
18 Hong Kong 52.3
19 Thailand 51.1
20 Papua New Guinea 50.9
21 Nigeria 50.6
22 Mali 50.5
22 Niger 50.5
23 Malawi 50.3
24 Peru 49.8
25 Malaysia 49.2
26 Venezuela 49.1
27 Guatemala 48.3
27 Argentina 48.3
28 Burkina Faso 48.2
29 Madagascar 47.5
30 Dominican Republic 47.4
31 Philippines 46.6
32 Costa Rica 46.5
33 Cote d'Ivoire 45.2
34 United States 45.0
35 Uruguay 44.6
35 Cameroon 44.6
36 Kenya 44.5
37 Mongolia 44.0
37 China 44.0
38 Uganda 43.0
38 Iran 43.0
39 Singapore 42.5
40 Turkey 42.0
40 Ecuador 42.0
41 Armenia 41.3
41 Senegal 41.3
42 Pakistan 41.0
43 Turkmenistan 40.8
44 Russia 40.5
45 Guinea 40.3
46 Tunisia 40.0
46 Morocco 40.0
46 Cambodia 40.0
47 Mozambique 39.6
48 Mauritania 39.0
49 Portugal 38.5
50 Tanzania 38.2
51 Japan 38.1
52 East Timor 38.0
52 Georgia 38.0
53 Jamaica 37.9
54 Nepal 37.7
55 Laos 37.0
55 Mauritius 37.0
56 United Kingdom 36.8
57 Azerbaijan 36.5
58 Jordan 36.4
59 Moldova 36.2
59 New Zealand 36.2
60 Vietnam 36.1
61 Italy 36.0
62 Ireland 35.9
63 Korea, South 35.8
64 Algeria 35.3
65 Australia 35.2
66 Greece 35.1
67 Latvia 35.0
68 Indonesia 34.8
69 Tajikistan 34.7
70 Egypt 34.4
70 Sri Lanka 34.4
71 Poland 34.1
72 Israel 34.0
73 Yemen 33.4
74 Burundi 33.3
75 Canada 33.1
75 Switzerland 33.1
76 Estonia 33.0
77 France 32.7
78 India 32.5
78 Lithuania 32.5
78 Spain 32.5
79 European Union 32.0
80 Bangladesh 31.8
81 Kazakhstan 31.5
82 Austria 31.0
83 Netherlands 30.9
84 Belarus 30.4
85 Ethiopia 30.0
85 Ghana 30.0
86 Bulgaria 29.2
87 Ukraine 29.0
87 Kyrgyzstan 29.0
87 Croatia 29.0
88 Rwanda 28.9
89 Romania 28.8
90 Slovenia 28.4
91 Germany 28.3
92 Macedonia 28.2
92 Albania 28.2
93 Czech Republic 27.3
94 Finland 26.9
94 Hungary 26.9
95 Uzbekistan 26.8
96 Bosnia and Herzegovina 26.2
97 Norway 25.8
97 Slovakia 25.8
98 Belgium 25.0
98 Sweden 25.0
99 Denmark 23.2
100 Vanuatu NA
100 Virgin Islands NA
100 Tuvalu NA
100 Wallis and Futuna NA
100 Western Sahara NA
100 Tonga NA
100 United Arab Emirates NA
100 United States Pacific Island Wildlife Refuges NA
100 Togo NA
100 Turks and Caicos Islands NA
100 West Bank NA
100 World NA
100 Wake Island NA
100 Trinidad and Tobago NA
100 Djibouti NA
100 Dominica NA
100 Gabon NA
100 Dhekelia NA
100 Grenada NA
100 French Southern and Antarctic Lands NA
100 Faroe Islands NA
100 Gibraltar NA
100 Greenland NA
100 Guernsey NA
100 French Polynesia NA
100 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) NA
100 Guam NA
100 Gambia, The NA
100 Equatorial Guinea NA
100 Gaza Strip NA
100 Eritrea NA
100 Fiji NA
100 Iceland NA
100 Holy See (Vatican City) NA
100 Iraq NA
100 Indian Ocean NA
100 Heard Island and McDonald Islands NA
100 Jan Mayen NA
100 Korea, North NA
100 Jersey NA
100 Kiribati NA
100 Haiti NA
100 Iles Eparses NA
100 Kuwait NA
100 Guinea-Bissau NA
100 Isle of Man NA
100 Guyana NA
100 Micronesia, Federated States of NA
100 Macau NA
100 Libya NA
100 Lebanon NA
100 Liechtenstein NA
100 Mayotte NA
100 Liberia NA
100 Monaco NA
100 Montenegro NA
100 Malta NA
100 Nauru NA
100 Luxembourg NA
100 Maldives NA
100 Navassa Island NA
100 Montserrat NA
100 Marshall Islands NA
100 Pitcairn Islands NA
100 Norfolk Island NA
100 Netherlands Antilles NA
100 Saint Lucia NA
100 Paracel Islands NA
100 Niue NA
100 Oman NA
100 New Caledonia NA
100 Puerto Rico NA
100 Palau NA
100 Qatar NA
100 Saint Helena NA
100 Saint Pierre and Miquelon NA
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis NA
100 Pacific Ocean NA
100 Northern Mariana Islands NA
100 Antarctica NA
100 Barbados NA
100 Bahamas, The NA
100 Belize NA
100 Ashmore and Cartier Islands NA
100 Bermuda NA
100 Arctic Ocean NA
100 Atlantic Ocean NA
100 Akrotiri NA
100 Benin NA
100 Bhutan NA
100 British Virgin Islands NA
100 Aruba NA
100 Bahrain NA
100 Afghanistan NA
100 American Samoa NA
100 Antigua and Barbuda NA
100 Angola NA
100 Anguilla NA
100 Bouvet Island NA
100 Andorra NA
100 Cuba NA
100 Cook Islands NA
100 Coral Sea Islands NA
100 Cyprus NA
100 Comoros NA
100 Cocos (Keeling) Islands NA
100 Cape Verde NA
100 Chad NA
100 Burma NA
100 Congo, Republic of the NA
100 British Indian Ocean Territory NA
100 Clipperton Island NA
100 Cyprus - Turkish area NA
100 Brunei NA
100 Congo, Democratic Republic of the NA
100 Cayman Islands NA
100 Christmas Island NA
100 Taiwan NA
100 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines NA
100 Somalia NA
100 Saudi Arabia NA
100 Suriname NA
100 Syria NA
100 Samoa NA
100 Sao Tome and Principe NA
100 Tokelau NA
100 San Marino NA
100 Swaziland NA
100 Southern Ocean NA
100 South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands NA
100 Spratly Islands NA
100 Sudan NA
100 Seychelles NA
100 Solomon Islands NA
100 Svalbard NA
100 Serbia NA
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2007-7-14 02:24 PM
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Then the map and list are off on the numbers
Someone have the updated map?
2007-7-14 02:46 PM
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The Rising U.S. Gini Coefficient Indicates a Widening Income Gap
Labor Department data shows the U.S. Gini Coefficient is rising.
http://www.sustainablemiddleclass.com/Gini-Coefficient.html
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If the current trend continues, then the American income gap will resemble that of Mexico by year 2043.
Unless the United States breaks this trend, the American middle class will be a thing of the past - actually within the lifetime of most Americans living today. My kids will be in their forties in 2043. Many of the younger Boomer generation, for example, those born between 1960 and 1964, will still be around.
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2007-7-14 09:25 PM
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Textbook economic theories probably won't help. I suspect that the real reason behind income inequality in the developing countries is due to the large scale unrecorded capital flights that have been going on for decades. The dirty money guru Raymond Baker have studied this kind of corruption for 45 years. During a speech that he delivered to the US Congress in 1999, he gave the following examples of capital flight that has plagued the developing and transitioning economies:
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* Russia, of major strategic importance, has been impoverished by the greatest illicit diversion of resources that has ever occurred out of any country in a short period of time - $150 to $200 billion in a decade by very conservative estimates, with figures as high as $500 billion being offered. This has been accomplished through a combination of criminal money laundering and noncriminal but illegal flight capital, and almost every dollar of this unprecedented deluge has been aided and expedited by western commercial and banking institutions.
* Nigeria is one of the principal suppliers of oil to the United States, the most populous country in Africa and pivotally important to the stability of that continent. Yet, the biggest single thief in the world in the 1990s was almost certainly the late military dictator Sani Abacha, with $12 to $16 billion passing out of Nigeria in corrupt and tax-evading money during his murderous five year regime, most of this to the personal accounts of Abacha and his immediate family members.
* Pakistan is a nuclear state in a volatile subcontinent, Mere corruption and tax evasion are so rampant and the economy so depressed that these conditions contributed to a coup d'etat, upsetting the nation's tenuous hold on democracy.
* From Mexico the surge of drugs into U.S. cities and economically depressed aliens across borders presents what many consider to be one of our principal foreign policy challenges. Yet, we legally give "Mite glove treatment" to high status criminals moving drug and bribery proceeds out of our southern neighbor.
* China could be the next country destabilized by corrupt and tax-evading flight capital. Semi-official estimates provided in Beijing suggest that already $10 billion a year, probably more, in illegal funds is passing out of the country. The possibility exists that, as China integrates more into the world economy, this could grow to $20, $30 or $50 billion a year, potentially repeating the Russian scenario.
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http://www.senate.gov/~govt-aff/111099_baker.htm
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2007-7-15 12:38 AM
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Poorly distributed incomes implies political instability.
The idea behind the Gini Index is that poorly distributed incomes will tend to cause political instability. Oddly, while the USA has a Gini about equal to China's, two other big economies, Japan and Germany, have very low Ginis. The lowest Ginis are found in old Europe, where there is lots of wealth and low birth rates per household. So maybe what causes Ginis to be low isn't so much the presence of rich people as the absence of impovershed children.
People criticize China for its one-child policy, but it does not add children to countries where food to feed them is already scarce.
2007-7-15 01:58 AM
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There must also be a better way to map the world.
The current world map shows political boundaries, but does not show the population density. So places like Brazil, with 110 million and a high Gini has a population about equal to Japan, which has a low Gini.
If we placed a dot on the world map for every 1 million people, then you would be surprised at what China and India, and Indonesia looked like compared to other regions of the world.
2007-7-15 04:07 AM
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The GINI index for the US is going up rapidly, and so is their Corruption Perception Index (CPI). I am amazed to see these americans never question why. Instead, all they are doing here is to look for whatever opportunities available to spread scams. Have you ever been told how much untaxed money have been channeled from the US to Israel? Do you know that the bulldozers were exported from the US to Isreal for $520 each? Have anyone told you the rocket launchers were exported from the US to Israel for $52.03 each?
2007-7-15 02:40 PM
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Ginis are low in rural areas because of agriculture.
Ginis in rural areas are low because agriculture is the main activity, and agricultural markets tend to impact all growers roughly the same. Some advantages can be gained from economies of scale, but one of the biggest reasons Ginis in rural areas are low is because those who can leave do leave.
Still, the richest countries show the lowest Ginis. Is that due to agricultural subsidies? Maybe so in Europe, where subsidy spending is $5 for every $1 the USA spends. Income inequality in manufacturing is also a cause for high Ginis. At the lowest levels, workers spend what they make while at the highest income levels, investors make what they spend on companies.
What really drives the Ginis upward though are all the children who are not working. In a per capita measure, a child who is not economically active will only pull the family household down. But when you see the countries in lower Africa, then the worst case scenario is present -- children cannot work and adults cannot work due to sickness from any number of causes. So a household income becomes $0 divided by all in the home.
Somehow all of our economic measures are wrong though because they group people by country too much. A map of wealth would show the world as we know it -- Europe, America/Canada, and Japan. A map of people would be China, India, and Indonesia, but no one thinks in those terms.
2007-7-15 03:58 PM
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QUOTE:
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The Gini coefficient is a measure of inequality of a distribution of income.
It is defined as a ratio with values between 0 and 1:
0 corresponds to perfect income equality (i.e. everyone has ...
I don't know where you find the map, but obviously, the data of China is incorrect.
Chinese Gini conefficient by the government is 0.47, but it has breach 0.5 in fact, most of Chinese people can feel it.
2007-7-16 09:20 AM
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Reply #3 tradervic's post
Depends on who's your mama!
and how she COOKS.
you always like what your MAMA give you to eat!
correct?
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2007-7-16 12:51 PM
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Funny Gini
I thought the Lao People's Democratic Republic and the UK looked the same colour
and they are
almost the same
Switzerland is of course so green
2007-7-16 01:13 PM
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QUOTE:
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I don't know where you find the map, but obviously, the data of China is incorrect.
Chinese Gini conefficient by the government is 0.47, but it has breach 0.5 in fact, most of Chinese peop ...
YUP, YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU WON'T KNOW THE ACTUAL FIGURE UNTIL YOUR THIRD EYE CAN VISITUALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON ONSHORE:
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Crackdown on laundering commences
Los Angeles Business Journal, Oct 25, 2004 by Laurence Darmiento, Kate Berry
WITH the Chinese economy expanding at record pace for years, there's been billions of dollars made by businessmen and billions more skimmed off the top by corrupt officials--with much of it illegally taken offshore.
But you won't find many Chinese nationals taking the chance of carrying bags of cash through LAX.
There are better ways to do it and everybody knows it.
"You have a lot of ways to launder money," said Karl Oroz, a former U.S. Treasury agent who worked money-laundering cases.
Among the most popular? Overstating the value of goods shipped to China, allowing the buyer (with the help of a trusted seller) to disguise an overpayment that gets the cash into an overseas bank account.
That's just one money-laundering technique. There are many others, perfected over the past two decades by an estimated 4,000 senior Chinese officials who have taken an estimated $50 billion from state-owned enterprises, according to a report issued last month by China's official Xinhua News Agency.
Numbers like that, along with the increased U.S. pressure in the wake of 9/11, have finally convinced Chinese officials that money laundering is a growing problem that has to be brought under control.
Last year, China began to crack down on banks and adopt regulations similar to the U.S. government's landmark 1970 Bank Secrecy Act, which requires cash transactions of more than $10,000 to be reported to the federal government.
"Everybody's on alert after 9/11," said Kelvin lee, managing director of East West Bancorp, which does substantial Chinese business.
Simple tricks - Trade Re-invoicing
The import method, commonly referred to as the "invoice trick," is a popular money-laundering technique because it can be used to move large amounts of cash at one time.
For example, with the assistance of an overseas seller, a shipment of pens to China with a real value of $100,000 might be given a cost of $1 million. The Chinese national seeking to illegally move money out of China would then send the full $1 million to the seller by a wire transfer or some other legal method. Now the overseas seller would be in possession of $900,000 more than he is owed, money that could then be deposited in some overseas bank at the Chinese national's direction. Often the true ownership of these bank accounts is obscured by holding companies with multiple layers of ownership.
The trick can also be turned around to move cash into China by overvaluing an export shipment, which would then prompt an overpayment that could be deposited into a Chinese domestic bank.
Another method of moving cash in and out of China involves the use of notoriously corrupt moneychangers in Hong Kong, many of whom have relatives on the mainland who facilitate unreported wire transfers.
There also is a whole industry of Hong Kong couriers who will literally move bags of cash to the mainland.
For decades, the flow of money was out of China and into offshore banks, usually tax havens in the Caribbean where it was held by companies whose Chinese owners were difficult to track down.
But some of the money would circle back to China, where it was invested in mainland projects, taking advantage of regulations that were designed to encourage outside investment.
"It's called round-tripping. You move your money offshore to a tax haven and then move it back in and get preferences," said an attorney familiar with the scheme.
For example, the tiny territory of the British Virgin Islands, which has just 22,000 people, is the second-largest source of direct foreign investment in China, according to China's Ministry of Commerce.
About two years ago, there was a new development: large amounts of cash started to return from offshore to be deposited in domestic banks, apparently out of fear that China would be forced to raise the value of its currency. (The U.S. has criticized China for keeping its currency at an artificially low value in order to promote exports.)
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The Chinese government has taken a number of steps to tighten up control over the illegal money flows.
It recently joined the Egmont Group, an informal association of financial intelligence units from several dozen countries that are working together to halt money laundering. And in March 2003, the People's Bank of China, which acts as China's central bank, issued a new set of anti-laundering regulations.
The regulations require cash transfers of more than $10,000 to be reported to the government. They also require banks to ensure patrons use real verifiable names when they open accounts, and threaten bank officials with fines if they don't enforce the rules.
There have been a number of recent scandals involving Chinese public banks in which well over $100 million is suspected to have been embezzled, with Chinese authorities prosecuting the suspected culprits. Experts believe that corrupt banking officials also have taken part in the money laundering.
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QUOTE:
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Depends on who's your mama!
and how she COOKS.
you always like what your MAMA give you to eat!
correct?
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GD,
I will dismiss your humorless rant as your usual nonsense. I have never condoned 'your mama' fights.
As for your remarks - My eyesight - while nearsighted - is not colorblind. The color chart has P.R. China and U.S.A. in the same color bracket.
2007-7-16 09:42 PM
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