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"U.S. Urged to Honor One-China Policy"

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It sounds strange that Warshington has to be "urged".  Nixon and Kissinger signed the papers, in the 1972 Shanghai Communique.  There was a pledge to gradually decrease arms sale to Taiwan province.  From 1972 to today, this government has to be "urged" again and again. It now is urging and pressuring the Taiwan government to buy US$18 billion worth of arms.

Honor a commitment, that is an expectation we await a sovereign government.  Dishonesty and insincerity are bad faith, the basis for bad relationship and distrust.

What can we expect from an American government?  Personally I think their conducts have shown that they are crooks.

Has the Chinese foreign ministry been too trusting of these crooks?

2007-1-3 01:17 PM

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Very good question, but all I can say is just ignore them. It is not wise to depend on people who suffered from a delusion. Would you trust anyone with such a sickness to raise your kids or do anything important? I don't think so.

“If we ever pass out as a great nation we ought to put on our tombstone 'America died from a delusion that she had moral leadership'.” ---Will Rogers

"It is only in folk tales, children's stories, and the journals of intellectual opinion that power is used wisely and well to destroy evil. The real world teaches very different lessons, and it takes willful and dedicated ignorance to fail to perceive them." ---Noam Chomsky

God blesses all,

Forest Servant.

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2007-1-3 07:31 PM

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Always check I would

Never believe what I say, believe what I do.

2007-1-5 02:02 AM

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Glad to know people here who can see things as clear as crystal.

God blesses all,

Forest Servant.

2007-1-5 04:38 AM

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Status Quo is Status Quo.

My understanding of the current policy is that China cannot reunify Taiwan by force and Taiwan can do nothing to assert independence by force. This policy effectively closes off all avenues except forward progress of some type.

Neo-Conservatives think that Taiwan should formally break away, but that will never happen. That's the one scenario where use of force by China is permitted. So America will not intervene. And of course the Neo-Conservatives are busy explaining the situation in Iraq.

They won't likely have much credence until Iraq is long forgotten.

2007-1-5 05:48 AM

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That Forked Tongue !

The Native Americans ( Red Indians ) have hit the nail on the head first time. Soon after their first contact with the invaders and after the first pow-wow they found out that the whiteman spoke with " FORKED TONGUE "! How shrewd and intelligent is that ?

Things have not changed much since have they ? No treaty, committment or convention signed by the Americans are sacrosanct . They do not abide by the NPT, they scoffed at the international criminal court and exempt themselves from it, they renege on the Kyoto protocol and of course this " one China policy". They pay lip service to the full but their tongue is forever forked. Beware.

2007-1-5 07:46 AM

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I think it's really a big issue that USA allows Chen lands on USA. If Chen succeeds on landing USA, and then he'll have more topics after going back to Taiwan,he'll find more pretext to show that USA will defend Taiwan if crisis approaches.

Form my view, If new president of Taiwan admits One-China policy, please let he or he does whatever he or she likes, visiting USA,JP,EU.......Then Taiwanese knows that China cares sovereignty,not persue reunification soon. Let all of us be flexible on Taiwan.

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2007-1-5 10:16 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by xiayiqiang at 2007-1-5 12:16
I think it's really a big issue that USA allows Chen lands on USA. ...

I thought people from Taiwan were able to travel freely around the world.
What's wrong with anyone from China travelling to the USA?
It's the USA's business as to who visits the USA. Why are you interfering in America's internal affairs?

2007-1-6 09:30 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by emucentral at 6-1-2007 13:30

It's the USA's business as to who visits the USA. Why are you interfering in America's internal affairs?

Indeed, does China allow other countries to dictate who can and cannot visit the PRC?

2007-1-6 10:03 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by chinese_yang at 2007-1-7 00:12
2. you deliberately induced the Chinese people in Taiwan: deceived them, robbed them by selling arms, feed them by criminally discriminating mainland Chinese, creating conflicts between Chinese out of nothing really can be considered as investment before you prepared to butcher them, the same as you did to Saddam.

WTF are you on about, Yang.

I've never been to Taiwan, I've never sold them anything, or stolen anything from Taiwan.

You are crying wolf again, Yang.
More unfounded allegations.

Does anyone actually take you seriously?

2007-1-7 06:40 AM

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The skill of the deviants.

Dear Chinese Yamg,

I take you seriously and I fully understand the conniving , cowardly and criminal scheme that the US has hatched up to split China. It is still worth USD $18 billion in the near future. Good loot if you can get it . i

I am not surprised with the thunderous silence from the Dubya apologists over the forked tongue behaviour. They are untrustworthy, unreliable and unembarassable with their tearing up of all and sundry international treaties, protocols or agreements. I would be silent too if I have to defend such an indefensible position.

You see thus that emu and mencius are furiously diverting and digressing to calmer waters of China bash. They are seasoned craftsmen they are.

2007-1-7 08:55 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by jetsam at 2007-1-4 20:36
Name one treaty or even one of their own laws they haven't violateed.

Well, Great Britain made a treaty with Poland in 1939 that they´d declare war on Germany if Germany should invade Poland I don´t know anything about your knowledge in modern history but....

2007-1-7 10:20 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by deichgraf at 2007-1-7 12:20
Well, Great Britain made a treaty with Poland in 1939 that they´d declare war on Germany if Germany should invade Poland I don´t know anything about your knowledge in modern history but....

And while we're on the subject.

China signed a treaty with Britain, ceding Hong Kong and the Kowloon Peninsula in perpetuity to Great Britain, and another treaty leasing the New Territories for 99 years.
As the end of the lease was approaching, China said they wanted the whole lot handed over, not just the leased (New Territories). Deng even threatened to invade HK if it wasn't given to China!

So Britain negotiated to hand over the areas which they were not legally obliged to return, on the condition that personal freedoms and democratic reforms were guaranteed by treaty and the "basic law".

Soon after HK was given to China, Beijing has started "re-interpreting" the basic law to suit its purposes and to delay the implementation of democracy.

So it's not just the evil west who forgets its international treaty obligations.

JB

2007-1-7 02:34 PM

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JB, wake up. Hong Kong is not an Autocracy province. People have more freedom
with their own kind today than with the UK long ago. It is so hypocrit of you to expect
Hong Konger's government to satisfy all of its citizens, when you know fair well that
your Aussie's Government have much more oppositions than the HongKonger's
government has.

God blesses all,

Forest Servant.

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2007-1-7 02:56 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by forestservan at 2007-1-7 16:56
JB, wake up. Hong Kong is not an Autocracy province. People have more freedom
with their own kind today than with the UK long ago. It is so hypocrit of you to expect
Hong Konger's government to satisfy all of its citizens, when you know fair well that
your Aussie's Government have much more oppositions than the HongKonger's
government has.

Hi Forest,
In researching the topic of HK, I did come across an interesting example.
Prior to the handover the British administration allowed demonstrations in HK, provided the police were informed in advance. The incoming (Tung) administration changed the law so that the police not only had to be informed in advance, but had to provide permission for a demonstration to take place. Otherwise the demonstration would be illegal.

There's no question that the British colonial rule of HK was far from perfect, but in handing over HK to Chinese rule, they simply exchanged one undemocratic colonial power to another even less democratic colonial power.

Now as to government opposition, well in Australia our political system is organised around the fact that the people have a vote (in fact it is compulsory) and are required to have their say.
In HK, the vote is limited in who is elected by universal suffrage, and how some representatives are selected by "functional constituencies". I read somewhere that in one election the HK Democrats got 2/3rds of the votes but only 1/3rd of the seats, due to the distortion of democracy by the electoral system.
In China, political opposition is discouraged as we know, and as was starkly demonstrated 17 years ago.

So it's a bit rich to claim that the Australian Government has more "opposition" than the HK or Chinese governments, when neither of the last two implement a system which is as responsive to the votes of the electorate.

In Australia, political opposition is encouraged.
In HK, political opposition is less relevant.
In China, political opposition is very much discouraged.

No surprises then as to which country has more political opposition.

Of course, we should remember that not so long ago, half a million Hong Kongers were out in the streets protesting against proposed laws which would reduce freedoms in HK. Over 7% of the population.
In Australia that would equate to 1.5 million demonstrating over a single issue, in Australia. I don't think we've seen anything like those numbers for very many years.

JB

2007-1-7 04:26 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by alwaysfresh at 2007-1-5 02:02
Never believe what I say, believe what I do.

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2007-1-7 05:52 PM

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