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Subject: Koizumi visits Yasukuni shrine for the 5th time
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Koizumi visits Yasukuni shrine for the 5th time
Japanese Prime Minister Koizumi paid his respects at Tokyo's Yasukuni Shrine for war dead today which is the anniversary of Japanese World War Two surrender. It’s the first time by a Japanese prime minister on the August 15 anniversary since Yasuhiro Nakasone paid his respects there on the emotive date in 1985.
Perhaps Koizumi don’t care what Chinese and Korean think about him, but clearly he has become a evil in the heart of most Chinese no matter what reason he explained.
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2006-8-15 05:07 PM
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sundayrun,
Perhaps Koizumi don’t care what Chinese and Korean think about him
He did care about the feelings of the Chinese and Koreans. That is why he avoided August 15th in the last 4 years. In his own way, Koizumi integrated opinions of China and Korea into his behavior.
2006-8-16 08:08 AM
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Did he really care? I doubt it.
If he did, he would not have visited the shinto at all.
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sundayrun,
Perhaps Koizumi don’t care what Chinese and Korean think about him
He did care about the feelings of the Chinese and Koreans. That is why he avoided August 15th in t ...
2006-8-16 09:26 AM
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Oh Crap...
....here we go again.
"Koizumi visits Yasukuni shrine"
......let it go China.....it is not your country and not your government.
Look inward China....can you not find fault with your own government?
2006-8-16 09:37 AM
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We could not criticize others who hurt us just because we are not perfect? Ridiculous. I could remind you that 14 A war crimnals are enshrined in Yasukuni and 35 million Chinese people died in the war.
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....here we go again.
"Koizumi visits Yasukuni shrine"
......let it go China.....it is not your country and not your government.
Look inward China....can you not find fault with ...
2006-8-16 04:49 PM
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But China should not have fought that kind of war in the way she did in the first place, letting so many people being expended.
The Chinese government must have protected its own people, not expend them for its own purpose. The Imperial Japan did expended its own people to a large extent, but, in China's case, its scale is unimaginable. They should not have fought a war that way.
2006-8-16 06:33 PM
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QUOTE:
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....here we go again.
"Koizumi visits Yasukuni shrine"
......let it go China.....it is not your country and not your government.
So when is America gonna let Iraq go? It' not YOUR country!!! Go home and mind your own business!!!
2006-8-16 10:03 PM
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QUOTE:
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But China should not have fought that kind of war in the way she did in the first place, letting so many people being expended.
The Chinese government must have protected its own people, not ex ...
The Japanese government has been hiding history from you again. Didn't they teach you about the Japanese Banzai charges into barb-wire and machine-gun barrels? How about your Kamikaze attacks on American ships? And your fanatical samurai-sword-in-the-belly fight-to-the-death philosophy? Japan sure as hell protected its own people, didn't it?
2006-8-16 10:13 PM
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Japan Rightfully Longs For What's Coming To It
Instead of apologizing for its war crimes, and fulfilling its treaty obligations to destroy, remediate, and compensate for the 2,000,000 pcs. of chemical warfare weapons the Jap military buried all over China, Japan chooses instead to deify Class A WW II war criminals, in a shrine that shares space to a museum that glorifies Japan's decades of militarism against its neighbors (war flags, photos of war victories, and warplanes and artillery pieces on display).
Instead of talking peace with China and resolving territorial disputes (like most of China's neighbors have done over their respective border issues), Japan chooses to run wargames rehearsing missile attacks on ships in the Eastern China Seas.
Japan rightfully longs for what's coming to it.
2006-8-17 02:41 AM
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huang262, read my message again.
2006-8-17 03:51 AM
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What is Good Must Be Universal
The Germans were not allowed to set up a shrine to deify Hitler, Himler, or the Nazis. In fact under German law, as dictated by the winning nations of WW II, the Germans were forever forbidden from glorifying or honoring the Nazis.
Why should the Japs be any different? Why should the Japs be allowed to honor and glorify its Class A War Criminals of WW II, who were responsible for the blood and deaths of tens of millions?
Japan as a militaristic nation visited gross atrocities upon the neighboring nations, and they have never apologized in earnest. Instead, they have now bred a country of hentais like this SothernJap, who instead blames the Chinese that somehow they "should not have fought a war that way"!! It is as is the Chinese had a choice??!! The Nanjing Massacre happened AFTER the battles were over, and after the Japs had control of the city, and it had nothing to do with how the Chinese fought or not fought the war. In truth, with Jap attitudes like that of SouthernJap, how can there be good relationship between the two peoples?
I'd say the Japs deserve everything that would be coming to them.
2006-8-17 07:52 AM
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Not quite true
You can visit and pay your respects to graveyards in germany that contain dead Nazis as Ronald Reagan did once. When asked why he did it he replied that they were still "victims of war" . The Japanese soldiers in those shrines are just as much victims of war as Chinese soldiers. A soldier doesnt make the rules he just follows them . War is war and victims are victims . Its not the soldiers fault that he was born into a certain nations army . He sacrificed himself for his nation and certainly didn't know he was fighting for the wrong cause at the time. I find nothing wrong with paying your respects to a victim of war .
2006-8-17 11:10 AM
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Japan is no threat to China today
If anything....China is overtaking Japan....peacefully.
Why would you want to jeopardize this?
A shrine of Hitler....is much different than 14 dead war criminals who are among thousands of
brave Japanese men.
War sucks.....but everyone must agree....that defending your own country is noble.
The shrine is for these brave men that died. The other 14....just let it go. Holding on to this hate....
....not forgiving them....
...is unhealthy for China.
2006-8-17 11:17 AM
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Reply #13 iluv2fish's post
well the protest is not only in China, Mr. Fish...
it is whole NEW MIDDLE KINGDOM....
I guess the Japanese government has decided the Yakasuni shrine issue is a better target of the "hate Japan" movement. But this benefit the "Militarist faction" in the Japanse elite.
The Russian government also SHOT DEAD a Japanese fisherman.....
probably a "Mistake" but i guess could be RUSSIAN misgiving on a MILITARIST Japan. The Russians also worry about Japan's military and threat to its SIBERIA resources.
The Koreans, Singaporean, Malayan, Hong Kong also made protest.
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2006-8-17 12:36 PM
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It is what China thinks which counts.
This silly stupid visit to the Shrine of Shame by Koizumi is similar to a recalcitrant child who has no capacity to learn. It is a ADHD ( Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder ) offspring who , no matter how many times one tries to teach, cajole or punish , can never learn. He is autistic and destructive and dull in the head. No matter how many protests and complaints are made, the Japs have no cognitive ability to engage in any reconciliations.
The Chinese ( and Koreans, and other Asians and Australians ) have repeatedly andwith civility asked them not to pay homage to ONLY the 14 convicted war criminals ; not the 2 million others who died ,possibly committed the bulk of the atrocities under command anyway. This is but a small gesture necessary to atone and the Chinese would be more than happy to move on. No, nothing as simple as that for the simpletons. They stubbornly and repeatedly do that which is unacceptable and unfriendly.
The take home message is : It is what the Chinese and the Asian victims of WWII think which count. If they are unhappy then the Japs need to do what is civilised to become friends again. Don't drag out what the Germans and others do for an excuse. The Germans have behaved in the most civilised way and that is why they are getting along well even with the Jews.
2006-8-17 03:25 PM
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Japan is No Threat to China Today?
I guess the American who said that subscribes to Rummism, and indulges as asking rhetorically "Who is threatening China?"
Were the Japs practicising shooting at fishing boats in the East China Sea last week? Japan has the largest navy in Asia, AND the largest military budget in the world after America, larger than that of China's, even though Japan has only 1/10th the population and 1/25th the land to defend.
Japan is today the biggest military threat to China's peace in Asia..
2006-8-17 04:12 PM
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Reply #10 soudenjapan's post
Just reread your message.
Are you saying that it's actually China's fault that Japan killed 35 million Chinese? So how else should they have fought the Japanese invaders?
2006-8-17 05:43 PM
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QUOTE:
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You can visit and pay your respects to graveyards in germany that contain dead Nazis as Ronald Reagan did once. When asked why he did it he replied that they were still "victims of war" . ...
Know where we can pay respects to Al Qaeda war dead? Those poor blokes didn't know they were fighting for the wrong cause and deserved to be honoured, right?
2006-8-17 05:57 PM
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QUOTE:
Japan is no threat to China today
So how come a small country like Iraq was considered a threat to the biggest military arsenal in the world - the USA?
2006-8-17 06:07 PM
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Reply #18 huang262's post
Come on now Al Qaeda terrorists have no country and cannot be considered soldiers for any single country . They are similar to a common gang of criminal thugs . Not the same as a army of soldiers fighting for a actual established country that is recognized by the world as one. We know today that the leaders of japan at the time were misguided and bad but how could its soldiers know that ? its not even there job to know that , its there job to follow orders from there superiors in its millitary . No different that any other countries soldiers in that respect. Past Japanese soldiers are victims of war . Al Qaeda terrorists are victoms of themselves .
2006-8-17 08:15 PM
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