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arthur (arthur)
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China, USA should be natural allies

China and the United States should have been natural allies, because we fought together in the battle fronts, and sent the Japanese Imperial Army back to their islands, after their hands were full with american and chinese bloods. Many in China over-joyed when your two a-bombs shortened the grisly war, and forced the Japan Emperor to surrender before justice. A few Japanese scholars asked me in Tokyo last spring that what do you think of Americans? I said to their face: Wonderful people! Many in important posts in China are all american college educated, and naturally we like that place.

Chinese pronunciation of the United States of America, is "mei-guo", meaning "Beautiful Country".

However, your politicians and quite a number of people in america are living under the shadow of "political ideology". Yes, taiwan is a democracy, but that doesn't mean China under one-party leadership has no future. It can make wonders and miracles, so long the leadership listen to the wise-men advice, and take the majority of its people's interest at heart, I mean, at heart! And, we are not planning any attack on Taiwan to quicken territorial integration, we are not fools to ruin our own brothers and sisters there. China has put forward the most flexible plan for peaceful unity: Taiwan could keep its democracy, its troops, its system, everything could be kept intact, except the authorities there admit to one-China.

With regard to protecting democracy, I found the White House is somewhat of "hypocrite". Among your allies, is Singapore a democracy? is Pakistan a democracy? is Saudi Arabia a democracy? And, Chavez is majority elected, why is he a prick in your eyes?

So, my suggestion for the White House: 1.3 billion people calling USA "Beautiful Country" isn't your adversary. Selling weapons to Taiwan DEFINITELY hurts our feelings!

Chinese people respect friendship, and tend to reciprocate good with good, what Confucius enshrined in our blood. We two peoples have a lot to learn and rely on each other.

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2006-1-23 09:26 AM

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Well said, arthur!

Where has it ever been demonstrated that democrazy is so much better than a one-party system?

Who writes this nonsense about democrazy is the only good system of government? -- Professor iluv2fish!

And who has been shooting all the darts at whom?

iluv2fish, did you ever check out: "WTF mate" ? Look it up on yer browser -- check out the Chinese flag ... DOH!

2006-1-23 09:36 AM

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You can say that again, arthor!

we are not planning any attack on Taiwan to quicken territorial integration; we are not fools to ruin our own brothers and sisters there. --- YES! You're right!

I am just back from Taiwan. People there are all polite and moderate. What I saw there were completely different from what I have learned from the violent movies about the island. Taiwanese are keener to Chinese traditions, which you can get proof from the decorations in stores and restaurants. They are all in Chinese traditional designs and colors. It is no doubt that we are one big family, the mainland and the island. Nobody can deny that. We are using the same language. You can hear Putonghua everywhere. When I was in a taxi, the standard Putonghua by the host on the radio program made me feel that I am in BJ!

I asked lots of people about their ideas of the development of Taiwan. Taiwan people are frank about their political opinions. No one said he liked the idea of an independent Taiwan. We are one big family -- everybody told me that again and again. The person who insists on "one China, one Taiwan" is treated as a traitor in the island.

One China policy is correct. It's just a matter of time.

2006-1-23 01:54 PM

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USA , China form an alliance?

somebody proposed following idea>

What would happen if President Bush and President Hu would have decided to unite, to consult each other, and form an leadership of the world?
The terrorists would have no room to advance their agenda.
Europe would have to accept the fact that the USA and China together provides a better leadership.
Japan would have to give up any idea of heading and ruling Asia.
Africa would have a better chance of developing with American and Chinese monitoring their development plan than the UN.
Economic restructuring of the world has a better chance of happening with China and the US making the decisions.

Right?

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2006-1-24 08:54 AM

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China, USA natural allies?/

Taiwan is the key.

It will be a litmus test for the two giant countries, in their substantial cooperation, to resolve the Taiwan problem peacefully, taking into consideration of the interests of Taiwai residents, Beijing, and Washington.

All Asian people will clamour for the day's coming: the hovering cloud of a war above the Taiwan Straits is cleared, once and forever.

But, is it easy to persuade Rumsfeld and his generals that China is a benign power?

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2006-1-24 10:20 AM

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There is nothing to solve, Mr. Freeman...

Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Malaya, Thailand, Vietnam is the "prancing lions" in the NEW MIDDLE KINGDOM form of civilization.

We use "domestic competition" to get the "Yang erections" while the mainland is the mother that nurtures and protect "Ying comforting"....

American meddling in KOrea, Taiwan, T-I-B-E-T, Mongolia, Persia, Tartar are just "nuisance" in these "BUFFER STATES" that keeps the FRINGE from having terrorist intent.

We know, you know because you study our history as we have study your history.....Singapore is a nuisance state..that's all.

and we study history with the 3rd eye...not with 1 or just 2 eyes...

cheerios!

fm
Gd

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2006-1-24 11:09 AM

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Stake-holder relationship

I attended a news conference at the american ambassy in Beijing this evening and listened to Mr Zoellick espousing to a crowd of the press his famous theory of China-America "stake-holder" relationship.

His descriptions are something like this: China and U.S are "stake-holders" and beneficiaries of the world's economic and political system. So closer cooperation bwteen the two to maintain the world system "security" is a shared goal of the two. Both China and America face a few challenges of keeping growth and security, now. So it is imperative and important for the two to stay at the "same boat" and sail through.

Amazing explanation!

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2006-1-24 11:32 PM

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and Bush waiting for Hu's visit

And, the deputy secretary of state said that President Bush is waiting for the upcoming visit to Washington by President Hu in April.

Did I mention that China is welcoming more investment by the G.M. and Ford autos?

can I ask our Chinese forumites who want to buy cars in the new year visit their booths first >:

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2006-1-24 11:36 PM

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Bush talked about China, and President Hu

from today's China Daily:

US President George W. Bush spoke highly about his personal relationship with President Hu Jin-tao on Monday, saying that he "enjoys" visits with the Chinese leader.

Such relations are "warm warm enough to be able to sit with him in private and talk about things that matter to me," Bush told a question-and-answer session at Kansas State University.

Hu is expected to visit the United States in April after a trip scheduled for last September was postponed because of Hurricane Katrina, a US official confirmed in Beijing yesterday.

Despite the warm personal relations with Hu, Bush admitted that differences remain between the two countries, which makes dialogue imperative.

"We don't always agree with China, of course," Bush said. "It's a complex relationship. But it's one in which, in my judgement, it's best to be in a position where we can dialogue and discuss things in order to keep relations on keel and keep peace in that part of the world.

"We've got a lot of relations with China ... We've got trade relations with China. We have got diplomatic relations with China. I've met with the Chinese leadership quite often."

Bush also recalled his experience visiting a local church in Beijing during his visit to China last November, his third one since taking office in 2001.

"I was a little nervous at first, frankly, about a licensed church," Bush said. "I wasn't sure whether I was going to a church or not a church and went. Laura and I went with a guy named Luis Palau. And I was impressed by the spirit I felt in the church."

He also praised the Chinese Government for its efforts to create jobs. "It's really interesting," he said. "Do you realize that it takes China 25 million new jobs a year to stay even? Think about that."

2006-1-25 09:21 AM

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i have nothing to add...

..but i'll just be cheeky and write this post...

ha ha ha ha ha

2006-1-25 04:03 PM

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This is amazing

"I was a little nervous at first, frankly, about a licensed church," Bush said. "I wasn't sure whether I was going to a church or not a church and went. Laura and I went with a guy named Luis Palau. And I was impressed by the spirit I felt in the church."

2006-1-25 05:18 PM

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and quoting mr zoellick

" By reason of its size and its success, and its growth, China is affecting the international system," Mr Zoellick said.

"China's success and accomplishments make it an influential player in the global system," Zoellick was saying. "It's important that China see the possibilities of sustaining and building that system, from which it benefits a great deal."

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2006-1-25 05:22 PM

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like father and son, who's a brat at that.

2006-1-26 01:10 AM

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[teal]Should be but not to be[/teal]

China and the USA were on the same side during the WWII in the defeat of Japanese Imperialism in the Pacific. Both countries endured huge losses, sacrifices and loss of lives in that mammoth struggle for survival. One would have thought that at the end of that comradeship and e'sprit de corpswould propel the two nations towards bosom buddies for life. Instead Japan , the perpetrator of brutality and war crimes , was given the favoured nation status, help in rehabilitation, financial and economic advantages. China was demonised as the enemy, the threat and the devil incarnate. To unravel this stark contradiction one has to delve into the psyche of the Americans. Their leaders were hypnotised by the " Red under your bed " anti-communist cold war mentality. PRC was tauted as the enemies ( the same Chinese who fought with the Yanks ).

Since '49 the USA has been disruptive and destructive in interfering and installing their favourite sons ( read puppets ) on Taiwan. They are illegally arming, supporting and deliberatly cajoling the Taiwanese to be difficult and be a thorn on the PRC government's side. There is no true love towards the Taiwanese people from the Yanks, and why should there be ? The simple objective is to use them to annoy the PRC.

Things have changed tremendously lately with China becoming an economic giant. Now there is a fear and jealousy at play. Instead of coming forward as a friend, the Yanks are using antiquated modus operandi of threat and disruptions to impede the natural and sensible friendship between these two great nations. The US leadership is too stubborn to change their attitude because they do not wish to lose face ( this is not just a Chinese trait you know ). The USA has the whip hand. They can offer the hand of friendship as equal partners today and things will progress swimmingly from there. China has signaled all she can wanting to be friends but that thorn on her side ( Taiwan ) has to be removed by the USA to smoothen the way.

2006-1-27 10:51 AM

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your post, Arthur

QUOTE:

Originally posted by arthur at 2006-1-23 09:26
China and the United States should have been natural allies, because we fought together in the battle fronts, and sent the Japanese Imperial Army back to their islands, after ...

Thoughtful post. The operative word is "should". I'm in agreement. The sentiments and operations handed down between generations in the coming years within both China and the United States will determine what kind of relationship will exist.

If the current paths taken by both nations are any indication, this relationship will be unsatisfying. Both governments are spending too much time talking about "peace" and "bilateral relations" and "trade" as if these things have been magically beneficial to 80% of China and 80% of America - in fact, 80% of people in both nations are getting no benefit from so called peace/bilateral relations/trade - just a lot of talk, no money, no insurance, no stability of economy or increased global flexibility.

Cheers to your post and to a different kind of relationship in the future that is free of all this nonsense of wording and more substantive for the people - after all, both governments love to talk about how important the 'people' are - on with it.

2006-1-28 02:08 AM

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Misnomer

QUOTE:

However, your politicians and quite a number of people in america are living under the shadow of "political ideology". Yes, taiwan is a democracy, but that doesn't mean China under one-party leadership has no future.

Is Taiwan a democracy?

Do not be taken in by the facade of elections -- the only thing this group of baddies are capable of doing -- to call Taiwan's political setup a "democracy."

Taiwan is no more a democracy than Congo is an industrial nation.

2006-1-30 04:33 PM

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China & USA, Two Great Country

CN&US has common languages in some places, whatever from history to nowadays,
especially nowadays, two countries are key members in the UN that also have power and right to decide some important things all over the world. two countries should be friends and do some distributions for the world's peace. Also should work together to deal with some crisis in the world, as the responsibility country, not criticize each other everyday, should help other everyday in order to world peace and security.

2006-2-9 04:50 PM

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Freedom

The ideology of personal freedom is not a bad one.  That is the "better" part of a democracy.  I'm not saying a one party system does not work, but the people in charge of the one party cannot be removed if they do something the people do not agree with.  Democracy allows the people to dispose of those in power who do a bad job.  So long as the men in power under the one-party system do a good job, then it is a good system - but, what happens if they do a bad job?

The person who started this thread, Arthur, said this:
"Taiwan could keep its democracy, its troops, its system, everything could be kept intact, except the authorities there admit to one-China."

This idea is a nice one, but this idea is only a FIRST STEP.  When Taiwan admits to the one-China policy, do you really believe everything else will stay exactly the same?  If you believe it, what proof do you have or what guarantee can you make?  Hong Kong was only granted 50 years of the freedom they had for so long.  When the 50 years is over, what do you think will happen to their system of democracy and freedom?

I agree that America and China should be friends.  It is my own desire that this should happen.  But let me show you how Americans might think of this issue of Taiwan and China.  "Why does China insist on reunification with a country that does not want reunification?"  You say that Taiwanese people want reunification, but even when they had the chance to elect someone who is for reunification, they instead chose the "saboteur."  Why do you think that is?

I cannot speak for Taiwanese people - and neither can you.  Maybe it is truly only a matter of time before the two countries become one - but that is not for you to decide, nor is that decision in the hands of the leadership in BeiJing.  The decision, when it is made, needs to be made by the Taiwanese people.  No matter what you think - your opinion and mine do not matter.  The Taiwanese people simply do not want ANYONE telling them what to do - China or America.

So stop being so insistent on that small island and think of the bigger relationship.  If the leadership in Beijing would only leave Taiwan alone and stop trying to push it, they will probably see that it comes willingly.  If they do not come willingly, then I do not see how it hurts BeiJing or all the rest of China just to simply focus on other things.  Focus on a friendship and a relationship with America, and stop worrying so much about the tiny little place most of the world doesn't even care about.

2006-2-9 05:32 PM

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QUOTE:

The arthur perhaps loves his dreamworld too much. The US helped China to fight the Japanese because they wanted to secure the Pacific before they took down Hilter in the Europe. Chinese pronunciation of Amercia is solely the short form of the full translation. But still I agree that China and the US should be mutual allies. Because this is how we together exploit the rest of the world. It all comes down to politics at the end...

2006-2-10 08:04 AM

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Well, instead of tearing down China, the US should peacefully encourage reforms. I don't think the one party system will last forever. Eventually a new party will form and they will turn to a multiple party system and perhaps democracy itself if they believe it's good enough. We shouldn't go around telling people what to do. I think they will know what is best.

On the Taiwan thing, the Chinese believe it's a renegade province. And have threatened several times to use military force. To their credit, they haven't. I think we should be pretty proud they haven't resorted to using guns yet.

2006-2-10 10:18 AM

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