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Celebrate Shenzhou 6 success

Fei Junlong and Nie Haisheng are returning to Earth tomorrow.

Although there are 13 planned landing sites, 10 are in foreign lands like in Australia, north Africa, Western Europe, USA...etc. , let's hope they make it safely on Chinese soil.

Look forward to another mission. Gan bei!

2005-10-15 08:51 PM

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Space exploration is for the whole of Mankind

Sooner or later we shall have to escape from our Blue Planet.

It will become overpopulated at 15 billion souls (now already 6 billion plus).

Therefore it is logical that other nations are alerted as to the possibility that Shenzhou VI might end up on their soil.

In other words, we should cultivate the feeling that China's space explorations, like Zheng He's maritime adventures before them, are peaceful missions exclusively.

Of course, it is also a subtle way of letting miscreants know that we have ways of defending ourselves if they put weapons into space.

2005-10-15 09:55 PM

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Spot the contradiction!

wchao says, "are peaceful missions exclusively."

But then he says, "Of course, it is also a subtle way of letting miscreants know that we have ways of defending ourselves if they put weapons into space."

Which is it?

2005-10-16 12:01 AM

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Andrew_gz:

Spot the contradiction!
wchao says, "are peaceful missions exclusively."

But then he says, "Of course, it is also a subtle way of letting miscreants know that we have ways of defending ourselves if they put weapons into space."

Which is it?

2005-10-16 00:01

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Which one do you prefer?

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2005-10-16 07:10 AM

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good question Whampoa!

Which one do you prefer?

Well, we all want peace (Most of us do anyway)

However, if space is to be crucial for military matters then China should definitely be there. (in strength)

The last thing we need is for the U.S. to have a monopoly.

My original point was for wchao or anyone to claim this is only for peaceful means is naive or not telling the truth.

2005-10-16 12:04 PM

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Some weekend caddy threw away my golf ball

In any case, I don't think China's president would be making a statement on the peaceful nature of China's space exploration if it weren't true.

But then of course there are nations which would never have entertained the same peaceful thoughts had they been in China's shoes, and would instead concentrate on developing super offensive weapons in Outer Space.

That's why their people tend to take Chinese statements to that effect with a grain of salt.

Westerners who plundered, raped, and murdered in Asia, Africa and Latin America in the Age of Colonialism must have thought Admiral Zheng He's ideas of non-aggression were pretty naive from their vantage point.

Prince Machiavelli would never have understood what Confucius was all about and would probably have thumbed his nose at his ideas.

Yet confucianism has survived 2600 years and is still going strong today, and its moral teachings have largely been responsible for the longevity and vitality of the Chinese nation.

Just because Machiavelli didn't understand it doesn't mean that it is naive or doesn't exist.

2005-10-16 01:37 PM

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China is too peaceful. That's why nobody respects it.

<<Fei Junlong and Nie Haisheng are returning to Earth tomorrow>>
Sorry. My mistake. It's monday morning. Party time!

wchao:
<<I don't think China's president would be making a statement on the peaceful nature of China's space exploration if it weren't true>>

Personally, I am of the opinion that Chinese should stop giving assurances of peace! I am sick and tired of that.

To western governments, humility is not a recognized virtue. They treat such an attitude as weakness.

Does America and Russia give anyone assurances on their space projects? NO. Star Wars initiative isn't peaceful we all know.

I say, China should just SHUT UP and continue working. It is pointless bowing head each time these thugs bleats out conspiracy theories.

2005-10-16 09:34 PM

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Our HEROS are back to a TRIUMPHANT WELCOME!!!

China Space Capsule Returns to Earth By JOE McDONALD, Associated Press Writer
38 minutes ago

A space capsule carrying two Chinese astronauts landed by parachute in the country's northern grasslands before dawn Monday following a five-day mission meant to affirm China's status as an emerging technological power.

The astronauts Fei Junlong and Nie Haisheng were "in good health" after their Shenzhou 6 capsule touched down at 4:32 a.m. local time in the Inner Mongolia region, the official Xinhua News Agency said. It said retrieval crews had reached the landing site and the two men were undergoing a medical checkup.

Fei and Nie blasted off Wednesday on China's second manned space mission. It came almost exactly two years after China's first manned space flight.

China is only the third country to send humans into orbit on its own, after Russia and the United States — a source of tremendous national pride as the communist government tries to cement its status as a rising power and help prepare for a moon landing by 2010 and the eventual creation of a space station. Shenzhou means "divine vessel."

State television showed scores of technicians monitoring the landing at computer screens at a Beijing control center. They showed no reaction when an announcer said the capsule had landed but broke into cheers after word came that the astronauts were safe.

Chinese leaders including Wu Bangguo, the No. 2 figure in the ruling Communist Party, were shown on television watching the landing from the control center.

Late Sunday, Xinhua said the mission had "accomplished the planned experiments and accumulated valuable technical data" for China's manned space program.

"We feel good, our work is going smoothly and our life is happy," Fei was quoted as saying Sunday evening before the craft began its re-entry maneuvers. "We will do our utmost to fulfill the mission."

"We're grateful for the deep love and concern by all Chinese people, the Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan compatriots," Nie said.

Shenzhou 6 orbited the Earth more than 70 times and traveled more than 1.9 million miles, Xinhua said.

The mission was substantially longer and more complex than the 2003 flight, when astronaut Yang Liwei orbited for 21 1/2 hours before his capsule landed by parachute.

The manned space program is a costly prestige project for China's communist leaders. They hope to burnish the country's standing abroad and shore up their own support at home by stirring patriotic pride at a time of widespread frustration over corruption and a growing gap between the country's rich and poor.

Chinese leaders have defended the program's expense, saying it will help to drive economic and technological development.

The government says the manned space program has cost a total of $2.3 billion — a fraction of the budget of its American counterpart.

The government did not disclose the planned length of the flight in advance or details of the astronauts' mission.

The newspaper Beijing News said Nie and Fei would undergo 40 minutes of medical checkups after landing.

"After several days of flying in space, the astronauts may look wan and sallow, so medical staff will put makeup on them to make them look ruddy," the newspaper said.

The two men were to be taken by helicopter to a local airport to board a flight to Beijing, the report said.

Both will be in isolation for observation for 14 days after the mission, but family members will be allowed to visit, the Beijing Youth Daily newspaper said.

The mission dominated state media last week. In a break with the military-linked space program's usual secrecy, newspapers and television showed scenes of Fei and Nie working and sometimes playing in orbit.

Scenes of Fei turning somersaults and the astronauts setting bits of food floating in zero gravity.

The Beijing Youth Daily featured a photo of them transmitting the digital pictures to the command center. Both were wearing puffy blue jumpsuits and appeared to be squeezed in a small space filled with equipment and a tangle of wires.

CCTV put together a montage set to music of the astronauts' activities on Saturday — taking their blood pressure and reading books — along with photos they had taken of the vessel's solar panels.

The Shenzhou 6 is a modified version of Russia's Soyuz capsule.

China also bought Russian technology for spacesuits, life-support systems and other equipment. But space officials say all of the items launched into orbit were Chinese-made.

On Saturday, President Hu Jintao wished Nie and Fei a "triumphant return" in an exchange shown live on national television.

He added: "The Chinese motherland and the people are proud of you!"

2005-10-17 06:52 AM

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Our HEROS are back

Landed to a triumphant welcome!

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2005-10-17 07:44 AM

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Reply: Our HEROS are back// let me have another try for whampoa

....Duplicated

The mods finally woke up.

2005-10-17 08:57 AM

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New lease of confidence

It seems the launch of a lunar orbiter satellite scheduled for 2007 has been brought forward to 2006, 2 years ahead of the USA.

2005-10-17 10:14 AM

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Where is the Admiral?

Hi!, the Admiral must have accidentally slipped overboard!
Due to excitement in the onrush of pride.

He can no longer distinguish the virtue of humility from political rhetoric designed to lull (potential) opponents to daydreaming.

China's space program is still in its initial stage, from sending monkeys to sending men, how could china possibly say, and to what purpose to say, that it would use it for military purposes?

Also, what's the value of assurance of peaceful purposes? Does it mean that it can only be used in peace but not for defending and preserving peace? To defend and preserve peace, sometimes one must take non-peaceful measures.

The Americans see it very clearly and have set many examples in the world, the atomic bombs dropped in the WW2 helped the Japanese regain their sense of peace, and the Iraqi invasion brought democratic election and ratification of constitution in that country so that, at the least, its neighbour's peace would no longer be disturbed by Saddam's regime.

They wouldn't be daydreaming in your peace assurances. They observe facts and effects. Peace assurances are not for American consumption, but for the credulity of people like the Admiral (and a host of others too) who have nothing better to do but to strenuously defend its verity and expound its humility.

Also, any statement has its period of validity. When the time come for china to have the capability to deploy effective space weapons, it could be more than half century later, the leaders now made the peace promises would have deadly rectified themselves, if not the regime itself, as would be forgotten their pledges, reassuring but only to the credulous.

2005-10-17 11:44 AM

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I guess we've lost the Admiral for good.

this is the last operation to salvage him.

Should it fail,

May peace be with the Admiral in the stomach of a fish.

Amen.

2005-10-17 05:01 PM

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Still standing tall

Don't you know, there's a thing called "work"?

I'm not that free like "someone" who spends most of his time on the board, brainstorming for ideas to spite the other fellow forumites.

You are going from bad to worse by the day, thinkingman. Seeing you in this pathetic state, I cringed.

You've said it yourself, China's space programme is still in its infancy. What threat could there be? Gone overboard? The constant barrage from your western government IS overboard. Words may be intangible. However, making wild speculation about China's space ambition and pretend it's real isn't virtuous quality either. Chinese has been very polite and humble since the time they made contact with the imperialist wests. And the westerners have always been very gung-ho and deceitful! Harming Chinese people every now and then!

<<the atomic bombs dropped in the WW2 helped the Japanese to regain their sense of peace>>
That's very dishonest of you.

The Japs were forcibly contained!

<<the Iraqi invasion brought democratic election and ratification of constitution in that country so that, at the least, its neighbour's peace would no longer be disturbed by Saddam's regime>>
Another self-delusional rhetoric.

I remember it was the SAME group of Yankee-administration consisting of Dumbsfeld and the gang that vetoed "The Prevention of Genocide Act" when Sadman gassed his Kurdish people into permanent sleep.

<<They wouldn't be daydreaming in your peace assurances>>
I'm sure they aren't daydreaming. They're in self-delusion, wrapped in cocoon of self-righteous propaganda.

<<any statement has its period of validity>>
That's right! When America shows its aggressiveness and threatens China's safety, she can rightfully defend herself in the face of aggression. She is fully justified to militarize when the need arise.

chao...

2005-10-17 06:40 PM

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right

Chinese space weapons half a century later?

So it is not due to China's peaceful intentions that she has renounced the use of Outer Space for offensive purposes.

So it is because she is incapable of doing so and will certainly renounce what she has renounced today in half a century when she could place weapons in Outer Space.

As man doesn't think, so he comes to erroneous conclusions.

In 1964 China promised not to be the first to use nuclear weapons especially against non-nuclear nations.

No other nations has done that ever since. Not the Americans, the Russians or the South Asians. They have since been skeptical and said that the reason China did so was because she had only a few bombs.

That's what makes Japan so cocky. She has nothing to fear from Chinese nuclear bombs so long as she doesn't assemble them.

But forty-one years after that initial pronouncement, China had recently repeated her pledge, and it is obviously not due to her "having only a few bombs."

2005-10-18 12:43 AM

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War or Peace ….

Who cares!

What is important is that our CHINESE heroes have been up there …..

100% Chinese-made and China-made, 100% Chinese-manned and China-manned rocket.

PROVED AND PROVEN

Our proven technology ….

Our proven people ….

We made it before

We made it now

And we will continue to make it in the future ...

Name me a country/countries that have achieved similar feat?

Didn’t the USA try earlier (in 2005) ….. ah, yes plan stalled for now …. (indefinitely)

Uh, Huh!

Yes, I approve of that ….. it’s better than to let it burst in mid-air.

****

Indeed, China-made rocket will bring you to your destination and bring you back safely home …. no mean feat.

If you are angry and jealous, I can understand ….. as I reached out for my chilled champagne.  I say ….

GAN BEI!

(Thanks, Daydreamer …. “duplicated …. The mods finally woke up” (?) To Chinese, good things (and for this matter, good post) are never one more than enough.  GAN BEI, sister!)

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2005-10-18 06:11 AM

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Erroneous conclusions.

Certainly not from me.

To make assurances is ok for a politician, so long as it does not mislead the Admiral & Co. to conclude that it is out of humility, or to the careless assumption that China is the most peace-loving country in the world.

China's promise is based on the already set practice by the countries preceding her in the outer space exploration. It should have come as no big deal and taken at face value.

There is no need for propagandists here to give one after another virtue to China or the Chinese people. That would be ridiculous if find out not to be true.

2005-10-18 05:05 PM

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Hey Asmant - Why pour cold waters at chinese success!!!

Can't you let people be happy???

Have a Look at the pathethic state of Former USSR!!!

Destroyed!!! Divided and Rule!!!

China still have humility from 2600 years ago by a simple person
called Confucius!!!

Can you be proactive???

2005-10-18 05:51 PM

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Caringhk .... Hao!

Ma de hao!

Good word

Nice word

Familiar word ....

The word, however, is not "success".

That man asses all the way, didn't I say so?

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2005-10-20 07:14 AM

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There is no denying .....

War or Peace ….

Who cares!

What is important is that our CHINESE heroes have been up there …..

100% Chinese-made and China-made, 100% Chinese-manned and China-manned rocket.

PROVED AND PROVEN

Our proven technology ….

Our proven people ….

We made it before

We made it now

And we will continue to make it in the future ...

Name me a country/countries that have achieved similar feat?

Didn’t the USA try earlier (in 2005) ….. ah, yes plan stalled for now …. (indefinitely)

Uh, Huh!

Yes, I approve of that ….. it’s better than to let it burst in mid-air.

****

Indeed, China-made rocket will bring you to your destination and bring you back safely home …. no mean feat.

If you are angry and jealous, I can understand ….. as I reached out for my chilled champagne. I say ….

GAN BEI!

(Thanks, Daydreamer …. To Chinese, good things (and for this matter, good post) are never one more than enough. GAN BEI, sister!)

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Whampoa

2005-10-20 07:16 AM

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