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alexandragl
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请教obama演讲里的一句话

Obama演讲里有这么一句："There is new energy to harness and new jobs to be created; new schools to build and threats to meet and alliances to repair. "

new energy to harness ;
new jobs to be created;
new schools to build
为什么new jobs to be created这里有个be，而new energy to harness 和new schools to build
里没有呢？请大家帮忙解释一下，谢谢！

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2009-8-24 11:32 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by alexandragl at 2009-8-24 11:32
Obama演讲里有这么一句："There is new energy to harness and new jobs to be created; new schools to build and threats to meet and alliances to repair. "

new energy to harness ;
new jobs ...

楼主听的很仔细啊，我当时怎么就没有注意到呢。
用不用be都可以说得通听得懂，人家可能不太注重对称吧。

2009-8-27 11:40 AM

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my try

"There is new energy to harness
and new jobs to be created;
new schools to build and
threats to meet and alliances to repair. "

energy,school, alliances 都是事在人（总统/国家）为可以办到的
jobs是市场规律决定，所以不受国家直接控制，或者说，非国家直接为了”产生“工作而产生工作

那三个是指，我们有新的能源将去利用，建新学校，弥补盟友关系（和总统、国家，具有基本上同一个主体）
jobs是指新的工作有待产生（表示需要去，存在，不是政府产生，而是市场产生）

例如：longman里有一个例子：

There remain several questions still to be answered.

这里用到被动，强调本身，而没有说明采取行动者

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2009-8-28 01:24 PM

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hly_2010
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another try

另一个可能的简单解释方法:
there're jobs to create-->job理解为work，即:我们有创建。。的工作(job)要去完成
例如：There are tools to create videos

there're jobs to be created 可以避免这个歧义，突出job不是task而是occupation的意思所以用了被动,突出jobs

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2009-8-28 02:37 PM

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There is new energy (for us) to harness and new jobs to be created; new schools (for us) to build and threats (for us) to meet and alliances (for us) to repair.

Here the five verbs are used as transitive verbs and they all need objects. They took the nouns energy, jobs, etc. as their respective objects and did so in different ways...

2009-8-28 04:18 PM

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其实，在harness 这个词本身就是指被利用，被用，所以不用多此一举，在此句中也表示一种目的，开利利用新能源。
而后者，是表被动！

2009-8-29 11:11 AM

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也许是，工作是被创造出来的。没有也要创造条件，创造就业机会。其余可以加上for people 是主动

2009-8-31 11:19 PM

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my try

"There is new energy to harness
and new jobs to be created;
new schools to build and
threats to meet and alliances to repair. "

energy,school, alliances 都是事在人（总统/国家）为可以办到的
jobs是市场规律决定，所以不受国家直接控制，或者说，非国家直接为了”产生“工作而产生工作

那三个是指，我们有新的能源将去利用，建新学校，弥补盟友关系（和总统、国家，具有基本上同一个主体）
jobs是指新的工作有待产生（表示需要去，存在，不是政府产生，而是市场产生）

例如：longman里有一个例子：

There remain several questions still to be answered.

这里用到被动，强调本身，而没有说明采取行动者
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有道理，受益匪浅！！
政客就是政客，说话确实严谨得不一般！

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2009-9-1 11:26 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by summerHJ at 2009-9-1 11:26
my try

"There is new energy to harness
and new jobs to be created;
new schools to build and
threats to meet and alliances to repair. "

energy,school, alliances 都是事在人（总 ...

2009-9-1 07:54 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by summerHJ at 2009-9-1 11:26
my try

"There is new energy to harness
and new jobs to be created;
new schools to build and
threats to meet and alliances to repair. "

energy,school, alliances 都是事在人（总 ...

yep. you explain it all.. awesomeness.

2009-9-11 03:57 PM

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why harness?

为何这里用harness, 而不用use or utilize?
energy to harness, to use , ...? 区别？

2009-9-21 11:10 PM

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remain， still？

====例如：longman里有一个例子：

====There remain several questions still to be answered.

有remain 了，还still 干吗？

2009-9-21 11:12 PM

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听得真仔细

2009-9-22 04:05 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by learner1 at 2009-9-21 23:12
====例如：longman里有一个例子：

====There remain several questions still to be answered.

有remain 了，还still 干吗？

我觉得是remain指的是还剩有几个问题 still强调还是没人回答而急于等待回答

2009-9-25 05:11 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by purplev at 2009-9-25 17:11

我觉得是remain指的是还剩有几个问题 still强调还是没人回答而急于等待回答

我觉得像中文的病句。

2009-9-29 06:41 PM

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没有人继续？
不过他还是获奖了。和平奖。
new schools to build 大概是new schools to be built 吧。be和built弄到一起不好分别吧。

2009-10-10 09:03 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by learner1 at 2009-9-21 08:10
为何这里用harness, 而不用use or utilize?
energy to harness, to use , ...? 区别？

"Harness" is more elegant than "use". Harness also implies taking control of and exploiting, it has a deeper meaning than use. Use is just exploitation.

2009-10-11 01:15 AM

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wonderful explain. thanks

2009-10-11 10:28 AM

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Firstly, let us look at the example quoted from ‘Longman Dictinary Online’
There,
there is/exists/remains etc
used to say that something exists or happens:
There remain several questions still to be answered.
Secondly,我记得在薄冰教授的《英语语法札记》中的一册里说，“用不用被动，是强调不强调之分”，别无它意的。

2009-10-11 03:58 PM

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严格意义来说，There is new energy (for us) to harness and new jobs to be created;是要用There are ...

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