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请教一下饺子的“馅” 用English怎么说啊

如题，饺子馅用英语怎么说啊，不会是 content of dumplings 吧

2007-8-5 04:59 AM

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dumpling filling

2007-8-5 09:05 AM

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another

stuffing
More:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cit ... /content_810187.htm

2007-8-5 10:28 AM

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ravioli(题外话）

前不久在一篇文章中看到，某大学的美国外教总结的中式英语中有dumpling一词，说国际上通用的说法是 ravioli，如果你和老外说 dumpling，人老外不知道是饺子。我还是第一次看到这个说法，真的吗？

2007-8-5 10:27 PM

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Thank you two very much for sloving the problem for me.

2007-8-6 12:26 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by tumujerome at 2007-8-5 09:05
dumpling filling

无论是包子饺子还是烧麦，老外都喜欢叫dumplings

2007-8-6 10:35 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by blossom228 at 2007-8-5 22:27
前不久在一篇文章中看到，某大学的美国外教总结的中式英语中有dumpling一词，说国际上通用的说法是 ravioli，如果你和老外说 dumpling，人老外不知道是饺子。我还是第一次看到这个说法，真的吗？

对从未见过饺子的外国人来说，无论如何称呼，他们都无法在脑海里形成一个“饺子”的图画。最准确的译法是直接用拼音jiao zi，但没听说过其物的老外更是一头雾水。根据字典定义，似乎ravioli比dumpling更接近中国的饺子。但习惯成自然，估计dumpling是用定了！

2007-8-6 11:01 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by berlin at 2007-8-5 04:59
如题，饺子馅用英语怎么说啊，不会是 content of dumplings 吧

mince/filling?

2007-8-6 11:06 AM

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在国外dumpling就是饺子, 不是ravioli, stuffing常用在火鸡身上

2007-8-6 11:12 AM

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记得在“希望英语”节目上看过说包子馅好像是stuffing。

2007-8-6 03:02 PM

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filling

2007-8-6 04:41 PM

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dumpling 我认识的老外称之为馄饨

2007-8-6 05:05 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by wanglove at 2007-8-6 17:05
dumpling 我认识的老外称之为馄饨

In many European countries, 馄饨is called wonton, or wantan , or wanton, or wuntun.

2007-8-6 10:59 PM

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Ravioli 是馄饨，包法非常接近馄饨，跟饺子差老鼻子去了。在香港，馄饨（云吞）已经统一译为wonton了，而饺子往往就是dumplings（因为是北方的东西，在香港并不太普遍），偶尔译为gyoza（日本话）（http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiaozi）。部分原因在于广东话里面的饺子太难拼写了：gau dzee. 怎么拼？kautse?
在西方，知道Zen Buddhism的人多于知道Chan Buddhism的人。
所以我倡议：跟外国人交流，一定要坚持用jiaozi, jiaozi, jiaozi，叫他们说，反复说，直到学会，他们会非常高兴。huntun, huntun, huntun同理。
而说到宗教，绝不要用Zen Buddhism，坚持说Chan Buddhism.原因很简单，馄饨饺子是中国原创，禅宗发轫于中国，没有道理跟外国人用其他国家的人学咱们的东西所说的近似音，目的就是图个方便。
I know I sound nationalistic, but it's not that simple. I'm talking about a linguistic principle - everyone is interested in getting the pronunciation right, by learning from the native speakers of the language in which that word was first coined!
就像老外先是在中国了解了佛教，知道佛祖名叫释迦牟尼。后来他了解到，在佛祖老家，他的名字叫sakyamuni或shakyamuni，那他在印度一定会用shakyamuni。这是很公平的事儿。

2007-8-7 01:21 AM

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勘误：ravioli的包法接近饺子（捏合，而且是我这种外行人的捏合手法，包完了躺下来那种），不是接近馄饨，我之前说反了，原因是在一个菜谱上，看到将馄饨译成ravioli，当时还笑，觉得店东有点新意，但搞错了，反而留下了错误的印象。刚才一下想起几次吃ravioli的情景，那一个个小小的、塞满难吃的cheese的面口袋，软耷耷地躺在那儿，跟我捏的饺子出奇地相似，顿时认识到刚才说错了。望谅。

2007-8-7 01:40 AM

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馄饨在国外叫wonton

2007-8-7 09:06 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by blossom228 at 2007-8-5 10:27 AM
前不久在一篇文章中看到，某大学的美国外教总结的中式英语中有dumpling一词，说国际上通用的说法是 ravioli，如果你和老外说 dumpling，人老外不知道是饺子。我还是第一次看到这个说法，真的吗？

Ravioli 是意大利式饺子，我们的饺子最好不要用这个名字，以免误导食客。

2007-8-7 10:27 AM

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stuffing

2007-8-7 01:01 PM

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JL说得对，Ravioli 是意大利式饺子，我吃过这东东，里面全是奶油，难吃极了。

2007-8-7 04:28 PM

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Re #19

One man's meat is another man's poison.

I am sure the Italians don't agree.

Ravioli is an Italian word that has been adopted by English. I hope jiaozi will one day have its place in the English vocabulary, too. "Dumpling" is just too vague.

2007-8-7 11:45 PM

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