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cestmoi (cestmoi)
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Russia Considers Adopting Chinese Government Model

President Vladimir Putin obviously has a high regard for the Chinese government's achievement and is considering adopting the Chinese CCP's economic model for Russia.

Russia has been a bit of a laggard economically since the country democratized. Right now, President Putin would be content to have a stable and growing economy rather than half a democracy.

I don't think it is a good idea for Russia to adopt the Chinese model. I don't believe there is a one-size-fits-all type of government. Just because it worked for China does not mean it will work for Russia. By all means, study China's model to economic stability and growth, but Russia should find its own model which fits its unique culture best.

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News Analysis
Russia¡¯s Leaders See China as Template for Ruling

By CLIFFORD J. LEVY
Published: October 17, 2009

MOSCOW ¡ª Nearly two decades after the collapse of the Communist Party, Russia¡¯s rulers have hit upon a model for future success: the Communist Party.

Aleksandr D. Zhukov, a Russian deputy prime minister, praised the Chinese Communist Party at a meeting in Suifenhe, China.

Or at least, the one that reigns next door.

Like an envious underachiever, Vladimir V. Putin¡¯s party, United Russia, is increasingly examining how it can emulate the Chinese Communist Party, especially its skill in shepherding China through the financial crisis relatively unbowed.

United Russia¡¯s leaders even convened a special meeting this month with senior Chinese Communist Party officials to hear firsthand how they wield power.

In truth, the Russians express no desire to return to Communism as a far-reaching Marxist-Leninist ideology, whether the Soviet version or the much attenuated one in Beijing. What they admire, it seems, is the Chinese ability to use a one-party system to keep tight control over the country while still driving significant economic growth.

It is a historical turnabout that resonates, given that the Chinese Communists were inspired by the Soviets, before the two sides had a lengthy rift.

For the Russians, what matters is the countries¡¯ divergent paths in recent decades. They are acutely aware that even as Russia has endured many dark days in its transition to a market economy, China appears to have carried out a fairly similar shift more artfully.

The Russians also seem almost ashamed that their economy is highly dependent on oil, gas and other natural resources, as if Russia were a third world nation, while China excels at manufacturing products sought by the world.

¡°The accomplishments of China¡¯s Communist Party in developing its government deserve the highest marks,¡± Aleksandr D. Zhukov, a deputy prime minister and senior Putin aide, declared at the meeting with Chinese officials on Oct. 9 in the border city of Suifenhe, China, northwest of Vladivostok. ¡°The practical experience they have should be intensely studied.¡±

Mr. Zhukov invited President Hu Jintao, general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, to United Russia¡¯s convention, in November in St. Petersburg.

The meeting in Suifenhe capped several months of increased contacts between the political parties. In the spring, a high-level United Russia delegation visited Beijing for several days of talks, and United Russia announced that it would open an office in Beijing for its research arm.

The fascination with the Chinese Communist Party underscores United Russia¡¯s lack of a core philosophy. The party has functioned largely as an arm of Mr. Putin¡¯s authority, even campaigning on the slogan ¡°Putin¡¯s Plan.¡± Lately, it has championed ¡°Russian Conservatism,¡± without detailing what exactly that is.

Indeed, whether United Russia¡¯s effort to learn from the Chinese Communist Party is anything more than an intellectual exercise is an open question.

Whatever the motivation, Russia in recent years has started moving toward the Chinese model politically and economically. After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia plunged into capitalism haphazardly, selling off many industries and loosening regulation. Under Mr. Putin, the government has reversed course, seizing more control over many sectors.

Today, both countries govern with a potent centralized authority, overseeing economies with a mix of private and state industries, although the Russians have long seemed less disciplined in doing so.

Corruption is worse in Russia than China, according to global indexes, and foreign companies generally consider Russia¡¯s investment climate less hospitable as well, in part because of less respect for property rights.

Russia has also been unable to match China in modernizing roads, airports, power plants and other infrastructure. And Russia is grappling with myriad health and social problems that have reduced the average life expectancy for men to 60. One consequence is a demographic crisis that is expected to drag down growth.

The world financial crisis accentuated comparisons between the economies, drawing attention to Moscow¡¯s policies. In June, the World Bank projected that China¡¯s economy would grow by 7.2 percent in 2009, while Russia¡¯s would shrink by 7.9 percent.

Politically, Russia remains more open than China, with independent (though often co-opted) opposition parties and more freedom of speech. The most obvious contrast involves the Internet, which is censored in China but not in Russia.

Even so, Mr. Putin¡¯s political aides have long studied how to move the political system to the kind that took root for many decades in countries like Japan and Mexico, with a de facto one-party government under a democratic guise, political analysts said. The Russians tend to gloss over the fact that in many of those countries, long-serving ruling parties have fallen.
( Cestmoi: Japan's Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) reigned for over 50 years, with a brief spell in opposition in the 90's. It remains to be seen whether the current government can hold onto power. )

The Kremlin¡¯s strategy was apparent in regional elections last week, when United Russia lieutenants and government officials used strong-arm tactics to squeeze out opposition parties, according to nonpartisan monitoring organizations. United Russia won the vast majority of contests across the country.

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2009-10-18 10:47 PM#1
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pay more attetion to the reform! may well  much good business chances for us!
2009-10-19 10:59 AM#2
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Quote Cestmoi:
"Putin would be content to have a stable economy rather than half a democracy..."

Anyone choosing between one positive and one half-positive would opt for the first.
The "half democracy" that Pudding has to deal with is one of the worst government mechanisms imaginable - even worse than a command economy.

But as for "stabel economy", Pudding had better remember the brutal downsizing of China's work forces and the number of factories over the past couple of years.

There will never be a truly "stable economy" because "stable" equates stagnant!
2009-10-19 12:03 PM#3
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It is about time Russia wakes up from its stupor state for taking the wrong "medicine". Of course the medicine salesman who caused the country to drift into the stupor state and almost into a coma for 18 years is reaping his rewards from the west. Luckily for Russia, Putin came along to bring the country out of the semi coma state. Russia can recover its past glories if the right "medicine" is administered and Putin is finding one. The brand name of a government is not important. What is important is the people that make up the government. A good medicine is a good medicine irrespective of under what brand name.

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2009-10-19 03:08 PM#4
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One of the core attitude to develop is simple, ignore western prescription.

Remember how Yeltsin invited ivy league scholars on how to develop Russian economy, they threw it into chaos.

Not to mention how IMF and their Structural Adjustment Progam virtually enslave developing nations to pay unpaid debts.
2009-10-19 03:55 PM#5
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by cestmoi at 2009-10-18 22:47
President Vladimir Putin obviously has a high regard for the Chinese government's achievement and is considering adopting the Chinese CCP's economic model for Russia.

Russia has been a bit of a  ...
Russia and China have fundementally different economies, 30 years ago they also had different economies.  The Chinese medicine from the early 1980s proved to be better than the russian but at this point I dont see following the Chinese plan as particularly helpful for russia.  Following China can be used when a country movesfrom a command economy to a semi market economy, as China did and Vietnam is following.  Cuba and North Korea could also learn a lot by looking at what China did.  However, I dont think doing what China did 30 years ago is going to help Russia or anyone else, there is too much difference.
2009-10-19 04:38 PM#6
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The main difference between Russia and China is that Russia has been an industrialised nation for a century whereas China has only recently been industrialised. What benefits China - its factory floor workers that content themselves with absolutely bottom-level wages - would not benefit Russia and Russians. Russia needs to develop its services sector as wellas its infrastructure.
2009-10-19 09:47 PM#7
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russia also has huge energy and mineral sectors
a more educated higher value chain production base and better IP protection
2009-10-19 10:03 PM#8
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Russia cannot adopt the Chinese model. The Chinese model initially relied on very cheap labour to manufacture goods for trade. China has a HUGE population to manage this. Russia's population is quite small. Russia is also run by oligarchs. If the people in the country think they will see even a reasonable amount of the money made, they have another thing coming. It is essentially capitalism where the money is concentrated in even fewer hands (ultra rich and government that then doesn't spend it on the people.)
While it is clear democracy isn't working, it is only because the Russia people can't be arsed to hold the government accountable for their actions. They have a very primitive idea of how a country should be organised, namely a 'strongman' at the top who is above question and with unlimited power. I don't think any system will truely work in Russia because the people are just too apathetic and those at the top too corrupt.
2009-10-19 11:59 PM#9
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The Russian government needs to address the acute problem of their human resources - declining population growth, wide spread drinking, low morality.
2009-10-20 02:36 AM#10
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For a country to adopt a right economic model it is like anyone buying a ready made pair of pants from a supermarket. It will not be fitting. To make it fit, alteration/s is/are necessary. In other words, modify to suit.
2009-10-20 02:49 AM#11
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Half is better nothing?



QUOTE:
Originally posted by seneca at 2009-10-19 12:03
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The "half democracy" that Pudding has to deal with is one of the worst government mechanisms imaginable - even worse than a command economy.
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Cup half empty, cup half full...  I am sure you are adequately familiar with the semantic argument.

People don't relinquish power gladly, President Putin is one of them. Maybe there is something to the American system after all: you get to be president for two terms and then you are out, period! Not like ex-PM John Howard clinging on to the bitter end with absolutely no regards for succession and continuity of the party, not that I would like to see any continuity to a right wing party.
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I agree with most of the sentiment here, Russia cannot simply adopt the Chinese economic model. It worked for China, does not mean it will work for Russia. I don't think it will work for Russia.

I also suspect that corruption is worse in Russia, with more bullying and strong-arm tactics than possible in China.
2009-10-20 07:53 AM#13
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I had a great time reading around your post as I read it extensively. I am looking forward to hearing more from you.

Regards,
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2009-10-20 01:15 PM#14
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by cestmoi at 2009-10-18 06:47 AM
President Vladimir Putin obviously has a high regard for the Chinese government's achievement and is considering adopting the Chinese CCP's economic model for Russia.

Russia has been a bit of a  ...
it's america who needs to do that, or outsourcing on it.  while china and russia could do much better than just running countries like corporations.  china, at least, bears the responsibility for all humanity.
2009-10-21 04:58 AM#15
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Every country have her owe goverment and development  model!Chinese model could not adapt Russia very well!
2009-10-22 01:54 PM#16
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quote:"Russia¡¯s rulers have hit upon a model for future success: the Communist Party."

Russia isn't looking at China's economic model as posters have been discussing. It is the organisation of the Communist Party.
2009-10-23 03:17 AM#17
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by joeching at 2009-10-21 04:58

.  china, at least, bears the responsibility for all humanity ...
Prof. Joe: Rhetorical overkill again? This time I am sure the Who's and When's of China's leadership must seriously question the veracity of your claim,and, perhaps, the healthstatus of your cerebrum.

Who would accept "responsibility" for total strangers? Surely not the CPC!

They are struggling (at this moment: rather successfullyh, but that hasn't always
been the case) to meet their responsibilities towards the Chinese nation.

They surely don't want to be in charge of the Rwandans, Timorese, Zimbabweans, Peruvians, Haitians, or the Russians for that matter!
2009-10-23 07:44 AM#18
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by seneca at 2009-10-23 07:44
They are struggling (at this moment: rather successfullyh,  ...
But, snakey, if they are unsuccessful... then what attracts you to come and stay?
2009-10-23 09:34 AM#19
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So, after discussing the non-existent news that Russia is interested in China's economic model,
shall we discuss the real news, which is Russia is interested in China's Communist Party?
2009-11-7 12:57 AM#20
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