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In a nutshell?
QUOTE:
Originally posted by
liuyedao
at 10/7/2009 11:52 AM
Of course.
Since so, why we need religion?
It has been one of the first things used to explain the six basic questions that drive humans:
1) Who are we?
2) Why are we here?
3) Where are we going?
4) When will it all end?
5) What started this all in the first place?
6) How did it all start?
2009-10-8 11:17 PM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
tradervic
at 2009-10-9 00:17
It has been one of the first things used to explain the six basic questions that drive humans:
1) Who are we?
2) Why are we here?
3) Where are we going?
4) When will it all end?
...
....and what about millions of other planets in our milky way, not to speak about the universe, that could have similar conditions?
What is your conclusion?
2009-10-9 08:37 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
tradervic
at 2009-10-8 23:17
It has been one of the first things used to explain the six basic questions that drive humans:
1) Who are we?
2) Why are we here?
3) Where are we going?
4) When will it all end?
...
I don't think bible will be able to asnwer those.
The answers of all those in the bible are: god, hell, heaven etc etc.
2009-10-9 01:15 PM
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I've been itchin' to join this thread again, but have been out of town attending my daughter's wedding.
Guangzhou's post #58 - Good defense of the bible. My mind was opened a little too much in the late '60s
and early '70s (
). I get that "creepy feeling" when I contemplate a) the universe having no beginning, b) that
it has no boundary and c) that there are particles so small that everything physical is made up of them.
Liuyedao- If I may
1)Who are we? Spiritual beings having a human experience.
2)Why are we here? To help each other along the journey.
3)Where are we going? To the other planets.
4) When will it all end? When we finally blow ourselves up.
Now, if I tried hard enough I could find all that in the bible. Ch ristians have had 2k years to find what they
want to find in that book.
Huang said the book is hard to read and it is. There is at least one chapter devoted to lineage.
Where Ham begat Josiah begat Nehemiah, etc.
I've had 50 years worth of religion, with a couple of personal tragedies thrown in to make me
spiritual rather than religious.
2009-10-14 06:36 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
wiseoldlady
at 2009-10-14 06:36
I've been itchin' to join this thread again, but have been out of town attending my daughter's wedding.
Guangzhou's post #58 - Good defense of the bible. My mind was opened a little too much ...
I agree
I'm too a more "spiritual" person rather than religious one.
If there is one thing that has shaped the course of mankind....it is "religion" (for good or worse)
That is why I'm fascinated by this subject and for the life of me can't understand why people kill each other over such things.
To twist and turn this book into something that advocates hate and violence is beyond me.
I respect others beliefs and it is not my place to impose my thoughts and beliefs on others (that is Gods job).
2009-10-31 05:40 PM
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Well said.
2009-10-31 05:47 PM
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QUOTE:
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harmless
at 2009-10-31 17:47
Well said.
But you try to impose your "chocolate" into China, Rudi.
You try to force your way unto others.
2009-10-31 06:47 PM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
harmless
at 2009-10-31 17:47
Well said.
Thanks
2009-10-31 08:59 PM
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@UYA
Because it became socially unacceptable to behave and believe otherwise sometime in the 300s CE. That is the only reason.
2009-10-31 09:38 PM
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And, no, Josephus makes no mention of Jesus. The passage in question is almost certainly a much later addition as no original Christian apologist mentions that bombshell when trying to establish Jesus as a real person.
You have to ask: if the passage existed at the time of Origen, why didn't Origen point to it and say "there, Josephus records it, now shut up you illiterate twats"?
2009-10-31 09:40 PM
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Interesting, interesting. Could you expound?
2009-10-31 09:42 PM
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@Teri
On what?
2009-10-31 09:44 PM
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about the socially unacceptable re: UYA
2009-10-31 09:52 PM
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In Rome, religion was part of the official organ of state. There is a reason that the tripartite powers of Augustus as
primus inter pares
were
maius imperium proconsulare
,
tribunicia potestas
and the position of
pontifex maximus
. Indeed, it is not inaccurate to say that the religion and the state were the same--
pontifex maximus
is actually a political position as well as a religious one--and that Jupiter was the order of the state, Mars was the act of war and so on.
In that context, when Constantine I takes up Christianity, it becomes a serious matter of state business even though it is not the state religion until Theodosius I establishes it as the official religion of the state. Upon issuing
De fide Catolica
, Theodosius essentially binds the state and religion. From that point on being an important person and not at least paying lip service to Christianity becomes nigh impossible. Moreover, because you're still operating in the context of the Roman view of religion, the state becomes, in essence, a Christian theocracy which derives its authority from the religion. This finds its fullest expression in the position of the Eastern Roman emperors (the "Byzantines") as the heads of the Church. In the Western Empire, the Pope actually assumes a lot of the former authorities of the Roman state and takes the title of
pontifex maximus
for himself.
2009-10-31 10:16 PM
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It's an interesting question. To a non-religious person, Bible is a fiction. The fact that Jesus exists doesn't necessarily mean that what's
written in Bible is true. No offence to Christians please.
2009-11-1 10:24 PM
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Jesus was....
a marketing manager of the old times. He had a good idea, got a group of friends to develop and market it and got succesful.
Christianity is a business like any other; some people drink Coke, some like Pepsi. Nothing more, nothing less. There are thousands of fairy tales about Coke having this or that power the same as the fairy tales about a god.
God does NOT exist....it's purely and simply a imaginary figure created to sell a product!
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2009-11-2 12:31 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
longzhou
at 2009-11-2 00:31
a marketing manager of the old times. He had a good idea, got a group of friends to develop and market it and got succesful.
Christianity is a business like any other; some people drink Coke, so ...
The Protestant drink coke
and the Catholics drink pepsi
Now, we get a bit closer to a scientific approach.
2009-11-2 12:33 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
longzhou
at 2009-11-2 00:31
a marketing manager of the old times. He had a good idea, got a group of friends to develop and market it and got succesful.
Christianity is a business like any other; some people drink Coke, so ...
2009-11-2 01:06 AM
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And the M uslim in Pakistan drink "green tea" which is in reality beer.
2009-11-2 01:14 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
liuyedao
at 2009-10-2 09:51
It's also funny to see Catholics and Protestants killed each other in Ireland.
They use they same bible that forbid killings.
Yet, what are they doing?
Yes, and Shia and Sunnis they use the same Quran.
Those Islamic disputes are actually religiously motivated.
The conflict in Northern Ireland (by the way history now) had rather political and social reasons than primarily a religious cause.
2009-11-2 01:23 AM
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