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Bible fact or fiction?
This book is 1,000's of years old and has been a source of so much conflict and hate. People are judged, condemned and killed over what is contained in its pages.
Why has such a document is taken so "literally" and "word for word" as the word of God?
When it was:
Written by man......
Interpreted by man.....
Edited by man......
Based largely on hearsay (in a court of law this book would have no value)
Can someone clue me in (without insults)?
2009-10-2 09:48 AM
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It's also funny to see Catholics and Protestants killed each other in Ireland.
They use they same bible that forbid killings.
Yet, what are they doing?
2009-10-2 09:51 AM
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QUOTE:
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liuyedao
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It's also funny to see Catholics and Protestants killed each other in Ireland.
They use they same bible that forbid killings.
Yet, what are they doing?
Yes!
This is just one of the hundreds (if not more) of crimes committed in the "name" of God though out the existence of this book.
2009-10-2 10:34 AM
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Well, simply, the Old Testament is an historical document for the most part. (Unless you don't buy
the God creating Man thing.)
Jesus was an actual person, mentioned by the ancient Roman historian Josephus. He had to have done
some amazing things and had something to offer the people of his time. Documents written in Aramaic
(the language spoken by Jesus) discovered in the last 50 years or so, and written within 100 years of his
death,
and
not included in the "official" bible have shed new light on what Christianity is.
Yes, indeed. Well meaning, intelligent, powerful, thoughtful people met and decided which of these
documents should be included in the bible. The fact is - all of what is written is true... exists.. whether
it was included or not.
Then a council met to decide the theology of Christianity. Is God 3in1? Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Yes,
decided it was. What did that have to do with the carpenter from Galilea?
Politics, power, money, fear....have perverted the original intent.
I hope that helps.
2009-10-2 10:36 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
UYA
at 2009-10-2 09:48
This book is 1,000's of years old and has been a source of so much conflict and hate. People are judged, condemned and killed over what is contained in its pages.
Why has such a document is tak ...
The only historical document that mentions Jesus is one on Roman history written by Josephus about 2,000 years ago. He described Jesus as a "rebel". That's about it, full stop. No mention of a miracle worker, nor of his resurrection (the foundation upon which Christianity was built).
As far as the Old Testament is concerned, who believes in the parting of the Red Sea, or killing 10,000 enemy soldiers armed with nothing but an ass's jawbone?
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2009-10-2 10:43 AM
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QUOTE:
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UYA
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Why has such a document is taken so "literally" and "word for word" as the word of God?
Thats because it says of itself, "I am the word of god" and "each word is gospel[true]". It also promises a curse to any man that will add to or take away from the bible. If any part of the bible is rejected, then no argument can support that the remaining part is truly sacred.
There is no other source for Christian beliefs, if the bible is not used as the source, then there is no source at all. If you carefully poll Christians, you will find they believe because they learned this system from birth, or they learned it from someone who learned it from birth through word of mouth spoken by someone who quotes the bible.
Though the bible is the ultimate source of info for Christianity, most Christians don't know this document very well. It seems a bit incredible that they believe in a thing they hardly know. However, that explains why no two Christians can agree on the nature of Christianity and what it all means.
"Hell" for instance, such an important concept in the bible, yet it's meaning changes in the mind of the people every couple of generations. Sometimes it's merely the absence of god, sometimes it's earth, sometimes it's literally a burning lake of fire filled with demons sodomizing little boys that didn't do as their parents told them.
The old popular religions generally flourish in the lands they've conquered. Christians occupied land produces baby Christains, Jews beget Jews, Islam gives birth to Muslims, etc. Parents, and peers are primarily responsible, the book is not directly needed. The bible is complicit in the spread and maintenance of Christianity in that it holds the reputation as being the sacred "word of god".
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2009-10-2 11:01 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
wiseoldlady
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Well, simply, the Old Testament is an historical document for the most part. (Unless you don't buy
the God creating Man thing.)
Jesus was an actual person, mentioned by the ancient Roman hi ...
So you believe that this book should be taken "word for word" without question?
2009-10-2 11:15 AM
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So you believe that this book should be taken "word for word" without question?
It's not a question of whether or not I do, but that the vast majority of Xtians do take it literally.
2009-10-2 11:20 AM
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It's not a question of whether or not I do, but that the vast majority of Xtians do take it literally.
Was quoting the "old lady".....Arab (kidding
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2009-10-2 11:25 AM
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QUOTE:
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Was quoting the "old lady".....Arab (kidding
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No problem. My guess is that the mythology in the bible is nothing more than a spin-off from Ancient Greek mythology, with its monotheistic concept being taken from Ancient Iran/Persia.
2009-10-2 11:32 AM
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No problem. My guess is that the mythology in the bible is nothing more than a spin-off from Ancient Greek mythology, with its monotheistic concept being taken from Ancient Iran/Persia.
It has always bothered me why so many people are so quick to judge others according to this book.
I grant it is a great historical document and should be looked at in that context.
But to judge, condemn and kill over these words???????
As you know there are many people posting such intolerance and hate here (still holding my breath) over silly things.
Hope they find understanding and respect (or a good pill)
2009-10-2 11:41 AM
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Morgezuma
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Thats because it says of itself, "I am the word of god" and "each word is gospel[true]". It also promises a curse to any man that will add to or take away from the bible. If ...
I agree
Just because "it says so...does not make it so"
Out of the hundreds of "Christians" I have met....
Only a handful I would say are "true Christians"
People who reserves judgment to God (not them)....
People who are tolerant of other beliefs (not just theirs)
People who believe "Heaven" contains not just "Christians"
2009-10-2 11:50 AM
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QUOTE:
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As you know there are many people posting such intolerance and hate here (still holding my breath) over silly things.
Hope they find understanding and respect (or a good pill)
Agreed. So far China has been spared this intolerance, but one can see here in CD BBS that there's been some effort to hitch China onto the West's anti-Isl.am crusade. But they're wasting their time here- China won't fall into that trap.
2009-10-2 12:12 PM
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This thread is a useful one for discussion.
2009-10-2 12:27 PM
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QUOTE:
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Agreed. So far China has been spared this intolerance, but one can see here in CD BBS that there's been some effort to hitch China onto the West's anti-Isl.am crusade. But they're wasting their ...
You're right.
But I still worry to this development. Western churches is still trying to drag China into their stupid wars.
They even tried to buy souls by offering help to orphans in Sichuan earthquake, a very nasty act.
2009-10-2 12:29 PM
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You're right.
But I still worry to this development. Western churches is still trying to drag China into their stupid wars.
They even tried to buy souls by offering help to orphans in Sic ...
They even look forward to the end of the world, in the belief that they, as true believers, will be elevated into the heavens with the blowing of trumpets.
2009-10-2 12:53 PM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
Morgezuma
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Though the bible is the ultimate source of info for Christianity, most Christians don't know this document very well. It seems a bit incredible that they believe in a thing they hardly know.
Absolutely true. How many Xtians have actually read the Bible from cover to cover? Very few, I'll bet. I tried it once and failed. It is so HARD to read! Which means most Xtians take little bits of the Bible that they like and reject bits they don't like or don't understand.
Tell a born-again Xtian that their non-Xtian parents are/will be burning in hell for eternity - according to the Bible - and they'll stare at you blankly or flick it away as some unwelcomed inconvenience in their blissed-out love affair with Jesus Chr!st.
Other Xtians read about the Old Testament genocides and rationalise them. After all, if God made the Palestinians then He has the right to order His Chosen People to slaughter them without mercy in order to gain the Promised Land. So when a Xtian looks at the mangled body of a Palestinian child, he does not see a human being like the rest of us does. He probably sees a broken crash-test-dummy and feels no compassion for it.
2009-10-2 01:07 PM
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QUOTE:
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Absolutely true. How many Xtians have actually read the Bible from cover to cover? Very few, I'll bet. I tried it once and failed. It is so HARD to read! Which means most Xtians take little bit ...
I cannot see myself in your story. I am a Christian.
Many Chinese believe in the "official history version" of the CCP, which is as complete as a Swiss cheese !
That history is just 60 years old compared to the 4000 years of new and old testament.
2009-10-2 01:22 PM
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QUOTE:
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I cannot see myself in your story. I am a Christian.
Many Chinese believe in the "official history version" of the CCP, which is as complete as a Swiss cheese !
That history is ...
You are comparing 2 entirely different concepts.
Christianity talked about supernatural forces that "create" lives.
CCP is a political system that doesn't believe in supernatural forces, an entirely secular/ mundane ideology.
2009-10-2 01:26 PM
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No? really ?
I have seen four super natural pictures moved up and down in Beijing yesterday.
2009-10-2 01:28 PM
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