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Subject: 9/11 -- Did it happen the way the Anglos said it did?
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The real question that has no answer other than a conspiracy, is how can three buildings fall exactly into their own footprint unless they were brought down by a highly skilled demolition team? There is only one way to make that happen, and that is by engineered demolition.
New York City is a crowded place, and it seems apparent that someone took great care to make sure only the WTC buildings fell.
2009-4-6 05:42 PM
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QUOTE:
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Which one are you, Petera or Peterb ?
2009-4-6 07:42 PM
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Can emu please help satsu?
From satsu:
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First a bit aboy Atta, you know, one of the 9/11 masterminds.
Yes, the one whose "passport" was conveniently found amongst the debris of WTC 1 & 2 after having miraculously survived the fireball and subsequent collapse of both skyscrapers.
Another "miracle" was the unexplained collapse of WTC 7 at free fall speed- just like a demolition.
Are demolitions classified as "miracles" these days?
Or the miraculous aerial manuevres by the "pilot" of whatever hit the Pentagon?
As satsu appears to have some difficulty in rationally and coherently answering these questions, perhaps emu can be of assistance, no?
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2009-4-6 10:53 PM
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz ....
QUOTE:
Originally posted by
petera
at 2009-4-2 05:35
The idiot called voterigger refuses to use facts to defend the impossible
collision between "UA 175" and the South Tower.
Petera go out, get a life, get laid ... and take off your pointy tin foil hat ...
Why the f*ck does an Indian p*ss around on a Chinese BBS?
Every single one of your daft theories about 9/11 has been dismissed. Every claim has a counter-claim. Every website with your videos and pictures has been dismantled by others - for every person who has spent time building some crazy idea about the events of that day, there is another person who will carefully take that idea apart.
Get used to it, move one, go shag some women or sheep or whatever turns you on.
So, you hate the USA, the West, white people, Jews, Christians or whatever? Well, I hope you can find something to like in your p*ss poor excuse of a life.
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2009-4-8 02:37 AM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
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at 2009-4-8 04:37
Petera go out, get a life, get laid ... and take off your pointy tin foil hat ...
Why the f*ck does an Indian p*ss around on a Chinese BBS?
Because he's too fukkin' thick to appreciate how stupid he actually is.
2009-4-8 04:42 AM
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The Truth
The last couple of posts are irrelevant to the topic,do not address the issues involved and use the
worn out old tactic of ad hominem attacks on the inconvenient truthseeker.
Lets look at the events of 9/11 from a different perspective.Lets use Bayesian analysis to determine the
probabilities that the operation allegedly carried out by a cavedweller half a world away could succeed.
No hijackings had occurred in the US for at least 10 years preceding 9/11.No hijacker in aviation history
had ever obtained the controls.At least two such attempts in the past had failed.Any deviation from a
flight plan by an airliner would trigger fighter scrambles,especially in the most heavily guarded airspace
in the world.
But on that fateful day 19 unarmed cavedwellers are alleged to have hijacked four airliners and flown
them accurately and unmolested to their targets.Based on the actual history of related events,the probability of such an event is of the order of 1 in a 100 million.Astronomical.
They flew the fragile kites at speeds completely outside their design envelopes,and never achieved.They
performed maneuvers that are impossible for those aircraft types.And they used those fragile kites to
punch slots in massive steel buildings which shortly afterwards turned into fine pyroclastic flows.
HOW STUPID CAN THEY THINK THE PEOPLE ARE TO BELIEVE THAT CRAP ????!!!!
2009-4-8 06:41 AM
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Speeds
In the last paragraph of the last post I meant that the airspeeds attributed to "UA 175" had never been
achieved in aviation history by a B767 or similar high bypass turbofan driven airliner at altitudes of 1000
feet or under.
2009-4-8 06:44 AM
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Thermite found in WTC dust
Berkeley, CA, April 3, 2009 – A new study by independent scientists and researchers suggests the cause behind the catastrophic destruction of World Trade Center Towers on September 11th can be seen in the dust itself: active thermitic material, a highly engineered explosive.
The study, published today in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, describes a finding of "red/gray bi-layered chips" in samples of dust taken from vicinity of the World Trade Center following its destruction. Using tools such as a scanning electron microscope (SEM) and x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS) to analyze the material, the study authors concluded that, "the red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic."
The study's finding lends new support to the demolition theory put forth by critics of the official reports.
At a time when the American public is finding it difficult to understand the full story behind the current economic crisis, findings of a demolition raise new questions about how the 'War on Terror' – an enormous source of recent American spending – was started.
Officials with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), charged with establishing the cause of the buildings' destruction, have stated that they "did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel," and that thermite, "or another incendiary compound," would be too difficult to have placed in the buildings without notice.
NIST has stated that such difficulties make demolition unlikely. They concluded that aircraft impacts and the subsequent fires led to the building failures.
Dr. Steven Jones, physicist and author on the paper, says that NIST has refused to test the dust for thermite, super-thermite, or any other accelerant or explosive.
"We've repeatedly asked them to follow standard investigative procedure, to perform these tests and release the results. They haven't."
Jones says such tests may be required by fire protection codes.
Kevin Ryan, chemist and co-author on the paper, explained why he thinks NIST is wrong. "What we've discovered is not conventional thermite – which is what NIST continues to refer to – but a highly engineered thermitic material, or 'super thermite', probably designed for just this type of application."
Pre-planned demolition, supporters say, is the 'best-fit' model for the many unusual and unexplained characteristics of the building failures, such as the speed and symmetry of the collapses, and the extreme pulverization of the materials leading to clouds of micron-sized dust particles, described in one insurance report as behaving similar to a "volcanic eruption".
2009-4-8 05:35 PM
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Let them bury themselves...
QUOTE:
Originally posted by
petera
at 2009-4-8 06:41
The last couple of posts are irrelevant to the topic,do not address the issues involved and use the
worn out old tactic of ad hominem attacks on the inconvenient truthseeker.
Lets look at the ...
... so far they've done an excellent job of discrediting themselves with their juvenile rants.
We should thank them.
2009-4-8 05:40 PM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
petera
at 2009-4-8 08:41
No hijackings had occurred in the US for at least 10 years preceding 9/11.....
So there may have been a little bit of complacency.
QUOTE:
Originally posted by
petera
at 2009-4-8 08:41
No hijacker in aviation history had ever obtained the controls.At least two such attempts in the past had failed.
Plenty had gained access to the cockpit, there was no precedent for killing the pilots for a kamikaze mission. The pilots are strapped in and vulnerable and anyone armed with stanley knives wouldn't have too much trouble disabling them.
QUOTE:
Originally posted by
petera
at 2009-4-8 08:41
Any deviation from a flight plan by an airliner would trigger fighter scrambles,especially in the most heavily guarded airspace in the world.
Leaving aside the compacency factor, how do you know that fighter scrambles were standard operating procedure for civilian airliners off course ?
QUOTE:
Originally posted by
petera
at 2009-4-8 08:41
But on that fateful day 19 unarmed cavedwellers are alleged to have hijacked four airliners and flown
them accurately and unmolested to their targets....
1 They weren't unarmed, they had knives.
2 They weren't cavedwellers, they had flight training.
3 The flight time off course wasn't all that long, confusion, complacency ruled.
QUOTE:
Originally posted by
petera
at 2009-4-8 08:41
Based on the actual history of related events,the probability of such an event is of the order of 1 in a 100 million.Astronomical....
The first time anything occurs it is unprecedented, the odds against it are high, until someone does it first.
Based on the actual history of related events, invitro fertilisation success was in the order of one in 100 million. Now it is commonplace.
You fail to make a case, again.
2009-4-8 06:33 PM
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From emu:
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They weren't cavedwellers, they had flight training.
And their trainer claimed that they couldn't fly any plane at all with the requisite skills.
So how did this ineffective novice pilot perform almost impossible aerial manoevres whilst flying the "plane" that hit the Pentagon?
2009-4-8 08:41 PM
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BTW, was it really a plane that drilled through 3 walls of the Pentagon? Hitting it at almost ground level whilst leaving minimal damage to the front lawn?
2009-4-8 09:59 PM
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Path of nosecone thro' Pentagon
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2009-4-8 10:35 PM
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2009-4-9 10:06 PM
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Thierry Meyssan
Thanks for your posts,Peterb.I've been busy with other things.I would reccommend Thierry Meyssan's
excellent books on the Pentagon hoax.The first one is called The Big Lie and the second Pentagate.
The first book has been translated into over 20 languages.
2009-4-14 06:32 AM
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Thermite found in WTC dust
Berkeley, CA, April 3, 2009 – A new study by independent scientists and researchers suggests the cause behind the catastrophic destruction of World Trade Center Towers on September 11th can be seen in the dust itself: active thermitic material, a highly engineered explosive.
The study, published today in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, describes a finding of "red/gray bi-layered chips" in samples of dust taken from vicinity of the World Trade Center following its destruction. Using tools such as a scanning electron microscope (SEM) and x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS) to analyze the material, the study authors concluded that, "the red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic."
The study's finding lends new support to the demolition theory put forth by critics of the official reports.
At a time when the American public is finding it difficult to understand the full story behind the current economic crisis, findings of a demolition raise new questions about how the 'War on Terror' – an enormous source of recent American spending – was started.
Officials with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), charged with establishing the cause of the buildings' destruction, have stated that they "did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel," and that thermite, "or another incendiary compound," would be too difficult to have placed in the buildings without notice.
NIST has stated that such difficulties make demolition unlikely. They concluded that aircraft impacts and the subsequent fires led to the building failures.
Dr. Steven Jones, physicist and author on the paper, says that NIST has refused to test the dust for thermite, super-thermite, or any other accelerant or explosive.
"We've repeatedly asked them to follow standard investigative procedure, to perform these tests and release the results. They haven't."
Jones says such tests may be required by fire protection codes.
Kevin Ryan, chemist and co-author on the paper, explained why he thinks NIST is wrong. "What we've discovered is not conventional thermite – which is what NIST continues to refer to – but a highly engineered thermitic material, or 'super thermite', probably designed for just this type of application."
2009-4-14 06:46 PM
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WTC dust contained thermite
An article in The Open Chemical Physics Journal of April 3rd 2009 outlines the discovery of thermite in WTC dust.
2009-4-14 06:50 PM
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by
peterb
at 2009-4-14 19:50
An article in The Open Chemical Physics Journal of April 3rd 2009 outlines the discovery of thermite in WTC dust.
I knew it was nature's fault. These pesky steel eating termites are a plague, indeed.
2009-4-14 08:13 PM
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