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yuan_zcen
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China’s confidence deserves respect instead of sarcasm

In face of worldwide financial crisis, Chinese government set the growth aim of 2009 at 8%, taking the duty of a responsible nation to maintain Asian financial situation steady. China’s strong expression and implements have inserted Confidence that is crucial for this while into market.

Some western media, however, did their best to pour cold water and satirize China’s political system, while ignoring that some western governments evaded their duty and did nothing helpful. It reminds me that fox who said ripe grape is sour.

Here is something we have to admit, that China’s rapid growth in recent years is closely connected with exports. Thus, as developed countries’ demand for Chinese goods declined, China’s growth will definitely slow down. Some eastern provinces in China have met unprecedented difficulties since Open and Reform.

But never underestimate mobilization of Chinese government and solidarity of Chinese people. Don’t you remember the snowy disaster in South China last year? Don’t you remember the terrific earthquake in Sichuan? China was not defeated by such tragedies, to the contrary, showed the world optimism and enthusiasm of Chinese people in the best Olympic Games in history.

To tackle recession, as well as natural disasters, needs strong organization of government and activity reaction of public, on which point China’s political system shines its superiority. But some western media don’t want to admit this. They will say: China is back to the time of planned economy; China wants to prove autarchy system is better than democracy.

Western media is used to looking down when he comment on other countries, trying to find others’ flaws and pointing fingers on others’ inter matters.

To be honest, on some certain domestic issues, Chinese media is hesitant to report some historical taboo. But as to situations abroad, Chinese media is very willing to find others’ superiority and get some inspirations from it.

Chinese are not so complacent. China’s reform and development in the recent decades is a progress of learning others’ experience and correcting mistakes. Keeping reform indicates that Chinese don’t think their system is perfect and superior.

In the Enlightenment in western world in 18th century, western countries are not as self-satisfied as they are now. Many great thinkers then tried to learn from China. The modern western merit system is based on Chinese imperial examinations.

Praising others is not a signal of weakness, but a way to improve ourselves. Those who mocks at China’s confidence maybe forget: Haughtiness invites losses while modesty brings profits.

2009-2-5 02:24 PM

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Thanks for your point of view.
Nice work.

2009-2-5 02:31 PM

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Good to see the Chinese leadership finally cares what the rest of the world thinks about them, and is acting appropriately. Yes, they do have more confidence in themselves.
I hope they will stay the course (but who knows whether they will?)

2009-2-5 09:12 PM

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Reply #3 seneca's post

rational thoughts, no gambles, less hate.....

but keep EYE OPENED, take lots of PRECAUTIONs, keep some level of stress (so that it's easier to rouse the population for self protection) would do the world a lot of good....

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2009-2-6 11:32 AM

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It's actually easier for China to grow..

..because it's from a low base and China do have a lot of forex reserves even though it seems low ona per capita basis compared what can be seen historically in Taiwan, Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Malaya.

Korea is a weaker case, they are more adventurous compared to rest of the Trade Route states.

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2009-2-6 11:34 AM

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Some news hacks are pondering the enigma of China's plummeting economic measures; someone said China's economy grew zero from around October or November through now while the official stats have us believe there still is some growth.

What is certain, according to all experts, is that official stats are in a mess.

2009-2-6 03:50 PM

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The government is unlikely to stimulate the Chinese economy, especially if the recession signals the end of what I think it does. In that case, the Chinese economy, like the US credit markets, was part of a vast and tacit agreement which was never vast enough to do what it had intended.

2009-2-6 08:49 PM

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"Some western media, however, did their best to pour cold water and satirize China’s political system, while ignoring that some western governments evaded their duty and did nothing helpful. It reminds me that fox who said ripe grape is sour."

I think you need to link to some examples of this... it's difficult to comment on it otherwise.

2009-2-7 04:35 AM

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The Fall of Capitalism.

Dear yuan,

A well thought out and succinct summary of the state of play in world politics and economics at the present time . China is looked upon by the "advanced " nations both with envy and fear .

Fear because none of these " gurus " saw it coming . In their obsession with being cynical and looking down upon the Chinese all these decades , they failed to see the steady and spectacular progress that a dedicated and hard working smart nation like China can achieve .

Envy because as each of their economies and the good times ( without work ) have evaporated or sunk , they can see that China is the only one left standing . This " bail outs " of banks and industrial companies like GM is an embrace of communism .( Outmoded form at that ). Capitalism does not prop up failed and bankrupt companies with tax payers' money !!

So there is eggs on faces , shame and trepidation and now a wallowing in that sink hole of their own greed and making .

The retrenched 20 millions migrant workers of China do have a home village to return to . They will survive even if they don't prosper . China is still looking at a GDP of 8% for 2009 , a figure that the recession nations would die for !! But that is how the cookie crumbles : avarice and greed have a cost too . It is called poverty and begging . Cheers .

2009-2-7 04:47 AM

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It seems that Yuan and some friends never truely understand the economics and politics in China. Any one could try to have a tour in the so-called country in china, you may know more about the economics. 8%'s growth, what do you think about this number? it is only the parlance of our Governments

2009-2-7 10:29 AM

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8% is 8% GDP seaben. Which part of this mathematical statement do you have difficulty with ? " 8" or "% "?

2009-2-7 12:33 PM

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Oh, and even if China's economy does grow at 8percent (which it clearly does not do at the moment), how does this translate into material gain for Joe Public?

There are 20 million ADDITIONAL job seekers in China right now - with maybe a hundred million unaccounted for.

2009-2-7 02:48 PM

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Seneca,

That's just the thing: China's GDP has to grow at a phenomenally huge rate just to prevent the collapse of per capita GDP. Worse, there maybe a lot of double counting with workers from the provinces having their factory incomes counted in the east and then counted again if they send some of that home to help family members. At any rate, there are signs that China is actually in negative growth right now, mostly in the form of demand drops for some basic services and estimates of warehouse stockpiles.

2009-2-9 01:42 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by seaben3 at 2009-2-7 10:29
It seems that Yuan and some friends never truely understand the economics and politics in China. Any one could try to have a tour in the so-called country in china, you may know more about the econ ...

I know many of you cynical youths who do nothing but criticizing the government.

If you are so realistic, why not do something useful?

2009-2-9 10:36 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by seneca at 2009-2-7 14:48
Oh, and even if China's economy does grow at 8percent (which it clearly does not do at the moment), how does this translate into material gain for Joe Public?

There are 20 million ADDITIONAL jo ...

8% growth of GDP is the bottom line for a country to keep its unemployment under control.

2009-2-9 10:40 AM

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They say drought can cause turbulence

Foreign media worries China drought more than Chinese

Even in the most sufficient country China, nobody ignores influence of the most serious drought in 50 years. But foreign media worries more, as they did all along.

Some said China’s drought would raise food price; some said the drought would cause sand-storm spreading to Japan and Korea; some said political turbulence would happen in China, for drought cut off the last living way of Chinese rural workers who were back home from recessionary cities.

Some foreigners can never under stand the old Chinese saying ‘disasters prosper nations’. They cannot imagine how many droughts and bloods China had experienced in history. Last year China also suffered especially many, but Chinese people never weep and wail, losing their heart.

2009-2-10 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2009-2-10 14:17
Foreign media worries China drought more than Chinese

Even in the most sufficient country China, nobody ignores influence of the most serious drought in 50 years. But foreign media worries more, ...

There is nothing wrong with this oneness.
I personaly admire this Chinese ability to stand for the country as one.
It would be cool to see Chinese stand united to be against something internaly at once (like for the milk powder affair).... but still, the power of the Chinese when they stand together is impressive.
In Europe, it's pretty rare to see such a trust and unity behind the flag, the spirit of nation.
Yuan Zcen...the mass is confident, for sure. But so many desperate jobless migrant workers will surely lead to conflicts. Hopefuly, confidence will be stronger.

2009-2-11 12:53 AM

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First of all, I want to point out that I don't hate China. I think Westerners can learn from Chinese culture quite much, especially from traditional Chinese values.
Nonetheless, I'm critical towards some details about China. If then, people accuse me for being a China basher or China hater, then... be it.

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Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2009-2-5 14:24

Some western media, however, did their best to pour cold water and satirize China’s political system, while ignoring that some western governments evaded their duty and did nothing helpful. It reminds me that fox who said ripe grape is sour.

No, I don't agree. Western media are investigative, also and especially to events in their own countries.
They have reported wrong things about China, this is true. And I personally am not happy about this.
But I wonder why so many Chinese come to the idea that the West envies them for their government...

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Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2009-2-5 14:24
But never underestimate mobilization of Chinese government and solidarity of Chinese people. Don’t you remember the snowy disaster in South China last year? Don’t you remember the terrific earthquake in Sichuan? China was not defeated by such tragedies, to the contrary, showed the world optimism and enthusiasm of Chinese people in the best Olympic Games in history.

In some ways, Chinese do practice solidarity with each other. If so, then it's a good thing.
"the best Olympic Games"? Is there an objective criterion for what is "best"? Did other countires unanimously tell this? I'd rather say, what is "best" is up to everybody's personal taste. There are different criteria for the "goodness" of an event.

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Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2009-2-5 14:24
To tackle recession, as well as natural disasters, needs strong organization of government and activity reaction of public, on which point China’s political system shines its superiority.

On this point, yes. On others not, in my opinion.

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Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2009-2-5 14:24
But some western media don’t want to admit this. They will say: China is back to the time of planned economy; China wants to prove autarchy system is better than democracy.[/quote[
Is planned economy bad in your opinion, and if yes, why?
For the second part of the sentence, I don't get you. "autarchy" is an economic term. "democracy" a political. Please clarify.

[quote]Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2009-2-5 14:24
Western media is used to looking down when he comment on other countries, trying to find others’ flaws and pointing fingers on others’ inter matters.

This is not always true. It is a bad thing if media are reporting things that are not true. However, it's the media's job to be critical. They are also critical with their own countries. If you study them closely, you will find out this.

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Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2009-2-5 14:24
Chinese are not so complacent. China’s reform and development in the recent decades is a progress of learning others’ experience and correcting mistakes. Keeping reform indicates that Chinese don’t think their system is perfect and superior.

My observation is that in this field, Chinese tend to extremes. There are Chinese who think the West is generally better and more "developed". I'm not supporting this opinion. Many things in the West are not so good, and technical "progress" is not everything.
At the other hand there are Chinese who are having the attitude of "we are the best anyway. This is a fact that needn't be proved, even not explained any further". In this forum, you can find a good lot of this kind.
It is true that in terms of economy and technology, China was keeping reform and try to learn from other countries' experience...

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Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2009-2-5 14:24
In the Enlightenment in western world in 18th century, western countries are not as self-satisfied as they are now. Many great thinkers then tried to learn from China. The modern western merit system is based on Chinese imperial examinations.

Where from do you have this information?
In the time of Enlightment, Europeans didn't know much about China. And this spirit of competition in Europe does not come from Chinese imperial examinations, but from the Ancient Greeks.
In this culture, competition was quite common (the Olympic Games are one example of it). The Greek word for "competition" is "agón".

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Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2009-2-5 14:24
Those who mocks at China’s confidence maybe forget: Haughtiness invites losses while modesty brings profits.

I can say this also to the address of the "confident" (and often arrogant) Chinese in this forum and elsewhere.

2009-2-11 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by fredius at 2009-2-11 00:53
Yuan Zcen...the mass is confident, for sure. But so many desperate jobless migrant workers will surely lead to conflicts. Hopefuly, confidence will be stronger.

Thank you for concerning.

Chinese people have a weak point as well as strong point. They are soft to some extent, but tenacious like steel.

I don't expect serious social turbulence unless somebody is starved to death.

2009-2-11 10:06 AM

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Reply #18 bern2009's post

Welcome all your instructive comment. Thanks for attention.

What I want to clarify is that most west basher in this forum are not Chinese. but that doen't mean their bash is not reasonable.

2009-2-11 10:12 AM

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