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Can China keep its GDP growth rate above 8% in 2009?
Can China keep its GDP growth rate above eight percent next year? The World Bank projected the growth will be 7.5 percent. What is your opinion?
The government has initiated a 4 trillion yuan stimulus plan to keep the country's economy afloat, while the central bank has lowered interest rates four times since September.
2008-12-2 11:00 AM
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9% would be great!
But I am sure most everybody would be happy for 7.5%.
Some are predicting lower.
Nobody knows just how deep or long-lasting this global recession is going to be.
Let's hope that China just keeps growing. (at whatever rate that might be)
2008-12-2 11:05 AM
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QUOTE:
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Can China keep its GDP growth rate above eight percent next year? The World Bank projected the growth will be 7.5 percent. What is your opinion?
The government has initiated a 4 trillion yuan st ...
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What i know one is real NEGATIVE
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2008-12-2 11:16 AM
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Some economists said the growth may be as low as 5.5 percent. That may be too pessimistic.
2008-12-2 11:16 AM
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Some economists said the growth may be as low as 5.5 percent. That may be too pessimistic.
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2008-12-2 11:17 AM
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it's hard to say. China is facing grim situations, as exports may drop further.
Hu Sees China Losing Its Competitive Edge
BEIJING, Nov. 30 -- Chinese President Hu Jintao warned at a weekend meeting of the Communist Party's elite Politburo that China is losing its competitive edge as international demand for its products is reduced, according to official state media reports Sunday.
China's growth rate has been forecast to be about 9 percent in 2008, down from 11.9 percent the year before and close to the 8 percent that economists say China must maintain in order to keep the labor market stable.
"China is under growing tension from its large population, limited resources and environment problems, and needs faster reform of its economic growth pattern to achieve sustainable development," Hu said, according to the People's Daily, the official Communist Party newspaper. He did not provide specifics.
"External demand has obviously weakened, and China's traditional competitive advantage is being gradually weakened" as international demand is reduced, Hu told members of the Political Bureau of the party's Central Committee, according to the state-run New China News Agency.
Protectionism has also started to increase in investment and trade, Hu added. China's export growth in October was 19.2 percent, down from 21.5 percent in September.
Michael Pettis, a professor of finance at Peking University, said Chinese exports aren't being priced out of the market. "The problem is a contraction in global demand, and all export economies are going to lose sales. If China tries to 'regain' competitive edge by subsidizing exports -- for example, by depreciating the currency -- that could make global conditions worse by increasing overcapacity, when what we really need is to increase global demand."
In his comments Saturday, Hu said that as the global downturn challenges the pace of economic development, China should "accelerate structural readjustment for sustainable development and stick to reform and opening up."
Efforts should be made to solve problems that concern the people's "fundamental interests" and improve people's living, Hu said, a reference to the central government's fear that growing protests linked to economic issues could be a destabilizing factor.
A strike by about 300 taxi drivers broke out Saturday in Chaozhou city in southern Guangdong province, following similar protests in other cities over rising fuel prices, competition from unlicensed cabs and local government plans to add more cabs.
2008-12-2 11:42 AM
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Develop internal market please!
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Can China keep its GDP growth rate above eight percent next year? The World Bank projected the growth will be 7.5 percent. What is your opinion?
The government has initiated a 4 trillion yuan st ...
No, I don't think it is probable that it will be above 8% because China has not consistently developed its internal market as a bolster. China's single biggest customer is USofA and the latter is in a recession. As President-elect B.O. said, it will get worse before it gets better.
Both Germany and Japan are also in a recession, meanwhile the UK government bought up 60% of RBS.
If China had taken advice and developed its internal markets, Chinese consumers could take up some of the slack, but as it is...
2008-12-2 10:17 PM
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9%
China could next year notch up growth of 9 percent, or even above, as the world's fourth-largest economy pulls out all stops to stimulate investment and consumption, the nation's top think tank said on Tuesday.
2008-12-5 11:00 AM
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Yuan,
It's not pulling out all stops. Go analyze the pledged money, it comes from re-touting old plans, not new capital inflows.
2008-12-6 11:35 AM
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i think the the GDP groth rate can over 8%. the 4000 billion rmb stimulate investment and consumption. we all can
2008-12-8 04:27 PM
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china is a contry have 1/5 world population, and the developing trend from these years is good for china to devleping even though the world are facing finacial crisis, but the root of this crisis is from west contry. also, the crisisi will affect china also at least in every field, china govener wisely change the developing direction form export biz to domestic consuming,
the large domestic market will be backbone for 2009 china's developing.
2008-12-9 05:08 PM
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An NYT report on China's EXIM performance
China has consistently and stubbornly refused to develop its internal markets as a bolster to faltering exports. Todate, China's growth has been export driven and thus subject to the ups and downs of overseas markets.
Hopefully, China's recent stimulus package will start tentatively to develop the internal markets, albeit belatedly. Whether it will succeed depends very much in how it will be managed and where the stimulus will flow to. I suggest government subsidised housings for owner-occupiers, and only for owner occupiers, who must hold onto the deed for ten years. The owner-occupiers must also have a track record in paying tax. That should stop the people from trying to game or cheat the Chinese government.
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BEIJING (Reuters) ¡ª Chinese exports and imports unexpectedly fell in November from year-earlier levels, dramatically illustrating how abruptly the world¡¯s fourth-largest economy has slowed in response to the global credit crunch.
The drop in exports was the largest since April 1999, while the decline in imports was the steepest since monthly records kept by bankers began in 1993.
Other Asian export power houses, including South Korea and Taiwan, had already reported a drop in shipments last month as the shock to confidence that followed the collapse of the investment bank Lehman Brothers in mid-September reverberated through the world economy.
But the extent of the downturn in China was startling.
Economists had expected exports to rise 15 percent and imports to be up 12 percent compared with November 2007. But the data showed exports fell 2.2 percent from a year earlier and imports dropped 17.9 percent.
¡°Global demand for Chinese products is vanishing,¡± said Gene Ma, an economist at China Economic Monitor, a Beijing consultancy. ¡°Secondly, the credit freeze in importing countries has made it hard for Chinese exporters to sell abroad.¡±
Even though imports fell more sharply than exports, the trade surplus reached a high of $40.1 billion last month, eclipsing the previous record of $35.2 billion set in October, the customs administration reported.
A plunge in the price of oil and other commodities cut China¡¯s import bill, but economists said the drop also reflected spreading weakness in home-grown demand as businesses and consumers battened down the hatches.
¡°It¡¯s just a start. Exports and imports will continue to fall in the coming months, probably until next June,¡± Zhang Shiyuan, an analyst with Southwest Securities in Beijing, said.
The government has been unusually frank in acknowledging its worries that the economic downturn will cause unemployment to soar, jeopardizing social stability.
Export firms employ tens of millions of rural migrants. With factories closing by the thousands in southern China, many of the workers are heading home much earlier than usual for the Lunar New Year, which falls in late January.
¡°With few policy options with which to revive exports, Chinese authorities are understandably focusing on measures to boost domestic demand and push forward with infrastructure initiatives, in an effort to absorb some of the migrant workforce,¡± Jing Ulrich, head of China equities at J.P. Morgan, said in a note to clients.
The government started a stimulus plan of 4 trillion yuan or $586 billion in early November to bolster infrastructure spending over the next two years and the central bank followed that by cutting interest rates by 1.08 percentage points ¡ª four times its usual margin.
A burning question among economists is whether Beijing will go one step further and engineer a drop in the value of the yuan to give exporters more of a competitive edge in global markets.
The Chinese currency has risen sharply in value this year against a basket of currencies of its main trading partners.
In another sign that the economy has simply run into a wall, the statistics office reported earlier that wholesale price inflation collapsed to 2.0 percent in the year to November from October¡¯s reading of 6.6 percent.
¡±The situation is quite severe. We are slipping into a deflationary recession risk pretty fast,¡± said Isaac Meng, an economist with BNP Paribas in Beijing.
2008-12-10 11:01 PM
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Wishful thinking?
Most of you have access to the same raw data that I do. Yet you arrive at diametrically opposite conclusions. I wonder how much of that is wishful thinking. That said, reliable data from China is hard to come by.
2008-12-10 11:04 PM
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QUOTE:
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Some economists said the growth may be as low as 5.5 percent. That may be too pessimistic.
5.5% may be very optimistic, given that the over all worldwide credit crunch still appears to be in play. Bottom line, it is not going to be a year that most of us are going to soon forget.
2008-12-10 11:20 PM
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Will get worse
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5.5% may be very optimistic, given that the over all worldwide credit crunch still appears to be in play. Bottom line, it is not going to be a year that most of us are going to soon forget.
Unemployment in USofA getting worse. If the Chinese think 2008 is bad, wait 'til they see the raw data for 2009. That said, many people here are into wishful thinking. I have consistently and repeatedly urged China to develop its internal markets, not something one can do overnight with a stimulus package, not even in a "command driven" economy. If China had done that, it might achieve a soft landing, but as it is...
That said, I can only give a qualitative warning rather than a quantitative analysis. One cannot do good quantitative analysis if the raw data is unreliable. Reliable stats and demographics give the government of the day a feedback. As it is, the informational loop is not closed. Maybe two sets of books?
Should be interesting.
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2008-12-11 09:59 PM
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I believe China can take some measures to keep the growth to be above 8%.
Nowadays,China's Governmont is capable of doing the economy.
2008-12-14 10:53 AM
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Hope that........
2008-12-14 11:03 AM
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in the past, the FDP growth rate is the highest in the world, but as we all know that depends on too much energy with low efficiency. if that will be the case int he future, there will also be a high growth rate higher than 9
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2008-12-14 04:46 PM
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It could keep its growth above 8% but I dont think it will.
An example of how export oriented China's economy is
China produced 500 million cell phones a year, yet it only consumes 50 million a year. If the global downturn affects foreign spending by say 10% then the world economy buys 45 million less cellphones. In order to maintain production China now had to increase domestic cellphone sales by 90%. Building a new railroad line is not going to do that.
2008-12-16 04:59 PM
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yeah rite.....
what can the government do but build ROADs, RAIL, canal, light rail, airports, seaports, riverports, schools, hospitals, power plants, water treatment, drainage, incinerators, research institutes.....
maybe some of the out-of-work unskilled workers become workers to supply all those components to the infrastructure investments...
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