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amyamy
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Originally posted by interesting at 2008-10-13 16:18
You do realize that 683 RMB per year is less than 100 USD per year, or under 1/3 the income the World Bank considers absolute poverty, i.e., a dollar a day.

Read the first post. The figure is disposable income.not just income. i.e. total income minus necessities(food, clothing, rent). World Bank defines "a dollar a day ppp" as absolute poverty not "a dollar a day disposable income."

2008-10-13 05:48 PM

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Given the inflationary impact after 12 years, is the doubling of disposable income really that hard a task to achieve?

This is not criticism! It is meant to encourage debate - I'd like to hear other views!

2008-10-13 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by zhiran at 2008-10-13 20:19
Given the inflationary impact after 12 years, is the doubling of disposable income really that hard a task to achieve?

This is not criticism! It is meant to encourage debate - I'd like to hear o ...

From the article:
"Per capita rural disposable income in 2007 was 4,140 yuan ($605), a year-on-year gain of 9.5 percent in real terms. A rise of at least 6 percent is expected this year, according to the government annual report issued in March".

i.e. they mention real increases, which are increases after discounting for inflation.

2008-10-13 08:34 PM

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Exactly my point. There was a rise this year of 9.5%.

If you read the whole article in CD, you will see the statement that infrastructure etc is still very poor in the rural areas.
If it is already rising by 9.5% when the infrastructure is poor, once this investment kicks in over the next 3 to 4 years, shouldn't we be able to see an even greater rise?

After all, a 9.5% rise when the figure is so small at present, really doesn't represent such a big increase.

2008-10-13 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by yuan_zcen at 2008-10-13 17:14

Good boy! Hope you remember what you said today when you achieve your goal.

The problem in your post is real and inevitable in China's urbanizaton. Somehow agriculture is sacrified for Indus ...

yes, my friend ,i promis i can chieve what i said, what you said is very resonable, and we all hope the situation in rural areas will get better.
by the way i am not a boy, i am a girl , hahha

2008-10-13 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by nulijulie at 2008-10-13 10:57
i am very happy to hear that, thank you for telling this good news in time, and we all hope this goal will come true soon.to tell the truth, i am from a very poor
and small village,and i can deep ...

hope all people in china will get out of poverty is very difficult and not realistic, anyone who do not come to remote village will hv not physical feeling about poverty, it's impossible for people in city to imagine the living status at some rural area in china,

looks u know this clearly, also i come from village and my parent still live in rarul, what i can do is to work hard and try my best to earn money a lot, then submit more money to them which can give my parent a better life, because i hvn't the ability to pick up them to my working city, u know, the housing price is so high, i can't afford one apartment by myself, which means i can't provide a stable life to my parent in my working city,so pity,

2008-10-13 10:00 PM

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Good rural policy by President and Premier

The objectives are to lift the living standard of the peasants and narrow the income gap between farmers and urbanites.

The government has heard and is responding to the dissatisfaction of the rural population and is acting to legislate laws which will protect the farmers from corrupt land-grabbing local officials. This move would hopefully redress past wrongs and remove any volatile economic issues.

With the new legislation, farmers will be able to sell their right to their plot of land to corporate agri-businesses and communities, however I do see a need to provide unbiased legal and financial advice to farmers contemplating the move to sell their rights.

Another step forward for China.

2008-10-13 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by loststar at 2008-10-13 11:20
My suggestion:
1，To reduce the gap between city and village
2，on the conditaion of not land reform,how to possess of the capital asserts for farmer.
3，the issue of national enterprise devel ...

1.cancel the region restriction of Hukou,
2.widen the range of medicare and social welfare,
3.control ground cost then cut down housing price,
4.control the spead of CPI ramping,
5.accelerate the incorporation between town and village,

2008-10-13 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by loststar at 2008-10-13 11:45

I agree with you.
Yes,it is emergent to extend medical insurance system and retirement amount in village.

But it is huge difficulty in china becuase of rural population.

yep, it's very difficult for gov to let all people in china to get out of poverty, but we should realize actually china gov has made great progress on reducing poverty people qty, so we also need keep confident in future, at least our gov pay more attention to rural people, as said "the road is flexural, but the future is bright", right?!

2008-10-13 10:21 PM

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2020 from the 2008 level

2008-10-14 12:54 AM

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Hopefully waiting for the day to come

It is really a good news to farmers. In all kinds of reports and statistics, farmers are always described as a group of people with higher and higher income. Perhaps those statistics are true in some areas, but in my hometown, farmers do not own that high income as reported, but still live under the poverty line and have to lead a miserable life.

They often lack money to do what is necessary, for example, to provide tuition fees for their children, most of the farmers do not have the ability to afford their children to enter universities. Under this condition, many students from rural area have to take loan to pay their tuition fees, as for their cost of life, they have to do part-time job to earn pocket money. It is miserable for a poor student, to earn his basic life fees will take his most time, as a result, the student's study will be affected badly.

This is the temporary situations in rural areas, at least in my hometown.

2008-10-14 11:25 AM

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Reply #52 tigeress's post

one good way to help farmers......just do like Australia...give them money!

ha ha ha

Rmb2,000 per family.....
but we have 800 million rural people......
maybe Rmb500 billion outlay....

too expensive?

oh! okay!

bad idea.

ha ha ha

2008-10-14 12:36 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by allenmiao at 2008-10-13 22:14

1.cancel the region restriction of Hukou,
2.widen the range of medicare and social welfare,
3.control ground cost then cut down housing price,
4.control the spead of CPI ramping,
5.accele ...

Greatly support iterm 2#.
Others i agree with.

2008-10-14 01:08 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by allenmiao at 2008-10-13 22:21

yep, it's very difficult for gov to let all people in china to get out of poverty, but we should realize actually china gov has made great progress on reducing poverty people qty, so we also ne ...

In 2020 I can verify what your said now is right.

I have confident in china government.

But i am much disappointed on the officials in the lower lever goverments.

2008-10-14 01:11 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by yuan_zcen 2008-10-13 17:34
The first, disposable income means the money you safe in bank and buy something you want but not have to buy. So it's not reasonable to compare it with GDP growth rate.

The second, as GD said, farms need less disposable income than urbans.

Thanks yuan, I obviously wasn't paying enough attention and didn't realise it was disposable income. Still not much difference since we are talking growth rates and if expenses remain constant or increase with inflation then gross income growth (after inflation) should equal gowth in disposable income.

So I still think a 100% increase over 11 years is not worth getting excited about when GDP is averaging 9 or 10 percent a year.

2008-10-14 02:15 PM

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one step at a time like how bamboo/sugar cane grows

2008-10-14 02:24 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by totothedog 2008-10-8 22:05

SCURRILOUS LIAR!

Are you serious??? How can someone be called a liar for asking a question? Maybe you could have answered the question rather then make unwarranted accusations.

2008-10-14 02:25 PM

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HAHA...

while the price of goods tripled...

T. T

2008-10-14 07:06 PM

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Reply #3 yuan_zcen's post

It's truly sad knowing so many live in absolute poverty. I read the print copy of CD the other day and I noted tha there were about 250 Million folks who lived in such poverty in 1978. I also noted that now, the situation has greatly improved and now there are about 15 Million folks out there living in absolute povery. The reduction is a great achievement for China and I hope all Chinese can feel proud of this!

2008-10-15 10:05 AM

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