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pushbush
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Dalai Lama sent confusing signals

Dalai Lama sent confusing signals over the weekend, making the situation more complicated as China shows more readiness for dialogue.

In an interview on Saturday, he told reporters in Indian that Beijing is "almost" a police state with a "rule of terror" and the growing population of Han Chinese in Tibet is a "form of cultural genocide," both strong terms that will certainly deepen the angry over the cruel killing of Han Chinese in the latest riot.

On Friday’s written statement, Dalai Lama said he agreed with President Hu Jintao’s policy of “harmonious society” and urged both Tibetan and Han Chinese to live in mutual understanding and tolerance.

The statement in Chinese for the first time admitted that some Han Chinese was killed in the riot. However, Dalai Lama claimed that the protest is peaceful despite that many videos, pictures and witnesses have overwhelmingly proved the opposite.

2008-3-30 04:13 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by pushbush at 2008-3-30 05:13
Dalai Lama sent confusing signals over the weekend, making the situation more complicated as China shows more readiness for dialogue.

In an interview on Saturday, he told reporters in Indian th ...

This is the problem with him. He is unreliable and what he says on day 1 isn't valid on day two and so on. Anyhow, I believe this is well known by Chinese authorities.

2008-3-30 09:00 AM

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Haha, i can't help laughing at the conflicting remarks by DL.

On the one hand, he claimed he agreed on the building of a harmonious society and called on Tibetan and Han Chinese to live in mutual understanding and tolerance.

On the other hand, he called the riot in which he admitted that some Han Chinese were killed a peaceful protest. Then what is not a peaceful protest? How can China, in his opinion, build a harmonious society? By the so-called peaceful protest? By killing innocent people, putting buildings to flames?

The whole world can now see the true face of DL. He has long been calling himself an advocate of peace, but we now know that when he is talking about peace, he is actually thinking of killing, looting and burning.

2008-3-30 09:13 AM

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DL is a Director for Drama -

DL is a Director for Drama -

those 30s monks, one of them suddenly bursted out cry was a complete drama - a show.

2008-3-30 12:05 PM

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Is he still the leader ? That is the question .

The DL is confused himself . He must be " advised " by a panel of foreigners , each of whom has his / her own agenda to push . He is also unable to reconcile the death and destruction figures . He is , with one breath , championing the peaceful Buddhist image , and the other , trying to squirm out of the obvious violence perpetrated in his name. What he cannot run away from is the clear and confirmed episode of planned and brutal riot which happened. No reference to any reason for protest has been seen or given . Do we know what they were protesting about ? Apart from those slogans fed by the outsiders ?

At his age , 35% of men are going through pre-senile dementia. He has not had an easy life and the stress is mounting . His very leadership is under challenge , I would suggest . The young hot heads want to solve this problem with force , never mind the peaceful Buddhism caper . I doubt very much he can speak for them even if he were to have a dialogue with the Chinese government .

2008-3-30 12:42 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by mengzhi at 2008-3-29 23:42
The DL is confused himself . He must be " advised " by a panel of foreigners , each of whom has his / her own agenda to push . He is also unable to reconcile the death and destruction fig ... No reference to any reason for protest has been seen or given . Do we know what they were protesting about ? Apart from those slogans fed by the outsiders ?

you are right. I should say DL might not be direct director but all others behind him. Those sudden crying¨just so fake.

Now I am really concerning for China. Those trouble makers will never stop - their just so violent. How do our sincere and naive Chinese leaders can deal with those sinful wolves

2008-3-30 12:50 PM

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Keep your hair on .

3hairs,

Keep your hairs on , stop worrying . China has started and must continue to be bold and transparent . Tbt and the minority tribes in China have been treated more favorably than any other equivalent minority and natives anywhere in the world !! Why is China not out there trumpeting and shouting from the hill tops . The infrastructure expenditure in transport , education , welfare , medical treatment is second to NONE . If there are a handful ( or even hundreds ) of rent-a-riot mob causing trouble in their brutal ways , let the world in first chance to see and assess the crime . China must learn to be world savvy and sleek . One of the first thing to do is to be believable . Trust is half the diplomacy . The more hooliganism they create , the less support they have : and the more kudos China gets . Call me an eternal optimist but as they say " If you have it , flaunt it " Cheers .

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2008-3-30 01:15 PM

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Dalai

o you really think we all fools?
The riot was clearly be ognized,otherwise it would not be that huge!!
Dalai,Do whatever you like,We Do Not Care！！Not a big deal！！BUT Please have mercy on the people who are innocent ！！

2008-3-30 02:29 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by iii3hairs at 2008-3-30 12:05
DL is a Director for Drama -

those 30s monks, one of them suddenly bursted out cry was a complete drama - a show.

i am not qualified to say so, but in the back of my head there was often this thought , "very good actors",

2008-3-30 04:29 PM

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As Premier Wen Pointed Out

As Premier Wen pointed out on TV this week, it is important to recognize clearly the nature of the riots and the Dalai clique.

The Dalai has ALWAYS defined "autonomy" to include the withdrawal of all Chinese military from the 1/4 of China he claims to be Tibetan, and the forced removal of anyone nonnative from same. He wants China to pay for defense and deal with foreign relations, but to leave "everything else" to him.

First thing he will do, under that scheme, would be to return the Tibetan natives under his theocracy, and deprive them of the freedom to even consider other religions, agnosticism, or atheism. Of course the rest of the nation would be deprived of the benefits of developing the natural resources of 1/4 of China and/or managing the origination of all of the major rivers that irrigate China. China's security would also be untenable if the strategically important plateau is deprived of the PLA.

WHY in the world would we let him?

2008-3-30 05:07 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by northwest at 2008-3-30 17:48

So, he disagree with me and then overreact it to the whole nation?

I disagree with Bush, but haven't make comment to nuke the whole nation.

NW,

You have to understand this. There are many Western well-wishers who love China so much that they'd like to see many Chinas. As more as better for them. Usually they are the same people who loved Yugoslavia as well. Everybody who doesn't agree with their love for China is considered to be a CCP brainwashed apparatchik.

2008-3-30 05:23 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by satsu_jin at 2008-3-30 17:23
NW,

You have to understand this. There are many Western well-wishers who love China so much that they'd like to see many Chinas. As more as better for them. Usually they are the same peo ...

I understand, for some of them, today's China and all of its positive development is not preferable. But what's annoying is, he did this from inside China. I may accept some westerners, because being fed up by their media don't understand China, but those who live here and see the first hand information should have better understanding.

2008-3-30 05:39 PM

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The DL should see that the autonomy that he seeks will only be seen as akin to that of Poland from the USSR. Grant that, and China may become balkanized in the same way that the former soviet republic had disintegrated after the US had used lech walesa as their trojan horse.  The DL should understand if tibet goes the path of poland, then what we are seeing today in the forthcoming installation of US nuclear missiles on polish soil may one day lead to the installation of US cruise missiles on tibetan soil.

And therefore by precedence,  taiwanese soil tomorrow.

Understandably, China will not countenance such personal liberties at the expense of national sovereignty because the DL himself cannot guarantee the installation of foreign military presence won't happen in Tibet as it is happening in Poland with the same type of ideological influence as has settled on the other ethnic minority states of the former USSR.

Somebody somewhere is playing the tibetan and taiwanese cards together to raise stakes of mischief against China before the Olympics in an attempt to vilify the image of China and sandwich her between two provinces turned towards foreign cause.

It's not about autonomy or religion or culture.  It's about pure geopolitical power play at creating bases from relationships with figureheads who have had no experience in leading the running nor modernisation of a province.

The DL writes extremely well; his religious writings have mass appeal.  But their wisdom appeals only to the implementation of moral philosophies to individuals, and cannot be completely applied to the running of a government which needs to make real progress for the people, and be part of a larger national identity. Chanting alone can't cure diseases, but it can be part of a bigger process of building cohesion and harmony between men in a society that modernizes within the framework of its motherland; glimmerings of that you see in the young men, women and their families selling their wares so far away from Lhasa while at Peoples Square in Shanghai during weekends.

Lives have been lost, property destroyed, hopes shattered.  He could have just said 'stop' but he didn't. That itself is telling.

2008-3-30 06:27 PM

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kill it

2008-3-30 06:39 PM

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quote Chris Bloor

Chris Bloor 2008-03-29

I just hope those cowards who set fire on innocent people, will be caught and face justice.

Also, please know that many people here living in the West are NOT supporters of the Dali Lama and feel sickened and disgusted at the actions of his followers and the rioters who attacked and burned innocent people.

I personally think he (Dali Lama) is skilled at using the media and that many people here in the West are so gullible they just believe he is a man of peace.

I applaud the Chinese government for helping the families of the victims of these criminals -- it obviously wont bring back their loved ones but hopefully will help the families in their grief.

My thoughts and prayers remain with the families who lost beloved ones in the terrible tragedy, which was created and driected by the (fake) monk.

*** Thank you, Chris. chinadaily, the super-moderator ****

2008-3-30 08:33 PM

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" Lives have been lost, property destroyed, hopes shattered. He could have just said 'stop' but he didn't. That itself is telling. "

you are right, mark. We won't be cheated by the monk any more.

2008-3-30 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by chinadaily at 2008-3-30 20:41
you are right, mark. We won't be cheated by the monk any more. ...

I'm sorry, but he's not an ordinary 'monk', he's a "politician with Buddhist robe and Italian shoes".

2008-3-30 09:51 PM

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We need to dig deeper

Let us not jump to conclusion, I do see something at odds there.

Assume for a moment the DL did not organize the violence and killings. Who did? Could it be:
(1) spontaneous; or
(2) the actions of some extremist, splinter groups with no allegiance to DH?

Case (1) is a law and order issue and we need to track down the trouble-makers, we need also to find out what triggered it off. After all, China has done a lot for Tibet and the livelihood of the average Tibetans is better off now than 50 years ago under the monks.

Case (2) is problematic for China. The combined pervasiveness of Israel's IAF and the overwhelming military might of the Americans could not control Hezbollah, Hamas and other extremist groups. Both Tel Aviv and Washington should be so lucky to have only the PLO to deal with. Likewise we don't want extremist, splinter groups. I see these groups as potentially more troublesome and dangerous to China, especially if supported by anti-China elements in the West.

In both cases, don't you see HH DL's authority over Tibetans is also being challenged? The violence and thuggeries went on inspite of him and his call for restraint. It might be that HH DL is fighting to regain his control, such as it is, over Tibetans. In which case he is fighting for his political life. Is he being pushed aside and marginalized by some of his own people? These questions beg for answers.

I am sure malcontents like "Seneca" and "Interesting" would have no hesitation to incite violence. Their malice is obvious for all who want to see but I am not so sure about Congresswoman Pelosi, she comes across as ill-informed and that was her typical knee-jerk reaction.

If indeed there are splinter groups and if indeed the DL is fighting to regain control, then what's the harm in talking more with the DL? Perhaps invite HH DL to Beijing to discuss the situation, that should flush out extremist groups. Perhaps even invite the DL to the Olympic Opening Ceremonies. Think about it, guys.

2008-3-31 02:10 AM

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On second thought...

Let's save this discussion later, too many rabble-rousers and haters around here, can't have a sensible discussion with the ilks of Seneca and Schreiber spamming the site. Lost causes .

2008-3-31 08:15 AM

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CM,

It's funny that you single me out while advancing my talking points.

2008-3-31 10:12 AM

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