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Subject: Nanjing Massacre -- 70th Anniversary
 
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Originally posted by wchao37 at 2008-12-5 14:51


Okay, I can understand where you're coming from.

I know people who believes both the Buddha and Jesus.
as far as i know, only one is ENOUGH

never be double headed snakes
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Originally posted by caringhk at 2008-12-5 14:51


If I say that would you be worshipping me?

btw, you are not CREATOR of the PATH to Nirvana

so is of no point if i believe you........

must get the RIGHT Teachings to go the correct mi ...
Okay, all faithful folks do this.
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Originally posted by wchao37 at 2008-12-5 14:53


Okay, all faithful folks do this.
for the differences
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Some Japanese just can't stop lying through their teeth

A Japanese newspaper said the Nanjing Massacre Memorial Museum "withdrew" three pictures from the new exhibition inaugurated in December, 2007 after the Japanese side cast doubt on their authenticity.

The three pictures weren't part of the exhibition and had never been displayed, according to the curator of the Museum.   So it wasn't possible that there were any "withdrawal."   Everything displayed in the exhibition had been checked and re-checked for factual reliability.  This again shows how desperate some members of Japanese society are in trying to continue distorting historical facts.

侵华日军南京大屠杀遇难同胞纪念馆抗议日本有关媒体不实报道

  针对日本《产经新闻》19日发表的有关南京大屠杀照片的不实报道,侵华日军南京大屠杀遇难同胞纪念馆当晚发表严正“声明”表示强烈抗议。

  据了解,日本《产经新闻》19日在其“主张”栏目刊文声称:日本学者认为侵华日军南京大屠杀遇难同胞纪念馆新馆在2007年12月13日南京大屠杀70周年纪念日时,再次展出的三幅照片,即“被带走的慰安妇”、“在空袭中被抛弃的孩子在哭泣”和“被日本兵残杀的婴儿”,不符合事实,并通过日本外务省向中国通报了研究结果,照片随后被撤。

  纪念馆馆长朱成山表示,《产经新闻》此次的报道是依据曾多次企图歪曲南京大屠杀历史的东中野修道、小林进等日本右翼学者的谬论作为依据的,蓄意歪曲历史。为驳斥他们的错误言论,纪念馆发表了严正声明,主要内容如下:“自去年12月13日本馆新馆扩建开展后,没有撤换任何一张照片。对《产经新闻》别有用心捏造事实,诋毁本馆声誉,表示强烈抗议!”

  朱成山说,这三张照片本身都是符合历史事实的。另外,纪念馆新馆根本没有陈列过这三张照片,开展一年多来也没有撤换任何一张照片,根本不存在由于日本外务省向中方通报而撤掉照片的事。新馆陈列的3500张照片曾经过中国社科院、江苏省社科院、北京大学、南京大学、南京师范大学等学术机构数十位专家反复论证,也请了日本相关专家对每一幅照片进行考证,每一幅照片都符合历史事实。

  朱成山说:“纪念馆建馆二十多年来,根据馆内外专家对南京大屠杀历史研究的不断深入,曾多次对展览的内容进行调整,这是很正常的,”朱成山说,纪念馆近年来已征集了12000多件文物和图片,可供展览选择的内容非常丰富。

  朱成山说,此前,在纪念馆新馆开放前后,有多家日本媒体故意歪曲史实,发表有关南京大屠杀历史的不实报道,如今《产经新闻》又如此捏造事实,其实,他们的目的只有一个,就是希望通过否定部分历史的办法,从而达到否定整个南京大屠杀历史的目的;并且在日本国内恶意散布“纪念馆展出内容不实”的谣言,以阻止日本国民尤其是青少年来南京了解历史真相。

  “这是非常不负责任的、狭隘的行为,”朱成山表示,希望日本有关媒体不要再发表这种不利于中日两国人民世代友好的言论。

  朱成山说,南京大屠杀的历史是全人类共同的警示文化财富,陈列这段历史,就是为了让人们吸取历史的教训,避免历史的悲剧重演。对这段历史不了解的乃至持有异议的人都应该到纪念馆来看一看,“事实胜于雄辩”,公道自在人心。
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Eisaku Sato in 1965 asked US to nuke China

The irony was that he was renowned for his "Anti-Nuke" stand at the time.

Anti-nuke ex-Japanese PM asked US for nuclear strike on China: archives
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TOKYO (AFP) — Japan asked the United States in 1965 to be ready to attack China with nuclear weapons if the two Asian powers went to war, newly declassified documents said Monday.

Japan, the only nation to have suffered atomic attack, has long campaigned to abolish nuclear weapons -- principles that led former prime minister Eisaku Sato to win the Nobel Peace Prize in 1974.

But the foreign ministry declassified documents showing Sato sought a US nuclear strike on China in the event of a war between the two countries.

According to the diplomatic papers, Sato told then US defence secretary Robert McNamara at a 1965 meeting in Washington: "We expect the United States to retaliate immediately using nuclear weapons" in a war.

McNamara, best known as an architect of the Vietnam War, was quoted as replying only that the United States had the technical capability to deploy nuclear weapons overseas.

Sato also said that he would let the United States use Japanese waters, although not its territory, to transport nuclear weapons in the event of a war between Japan and China.

China, then a year away from launching its "Cultural Revolution," was a major cause of concern in the 1960s for World War II rival Japan. Neither Japan or the United States had diplomatic ties with communist China until the 1970s.

Asked Monday about Sato's remarks, Chief Cabinet Secretary Takeo Kawamura, the Japanese government's spokesman, defended the then premier by noting that China had just carried out nuclear tests.

"We can reach a conclusion that no nuclear weapons have been brought to Japan," Kawamura, a member of Sato's long-dominant Liberal Democratic Party, told a news conference.

Sato's three-point non-nuclear policy -- that Japan will not produce, possess or allow the entry of nuclear weapons -- is "determined and steadfast," Kawamura said.

"Washington has understood this," he said.

Sato led Japan from 1964 to 1972, making him the country's longest-serving prime minister.

The United States dropped atom bombs in 1945 on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing more than 210,000 people.

But the United States is now the main ally of officially pacifist Japan and stations more than 40,000 troops on its soil.


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1965 -- Japanese PM Sato told U.S.-- "Nuke China"

So it has now been revealed by Japan's Foreign Office that former PM Sato, the longest-ruling PM of post-war Japan, had even "acquiesced to U.S. bringing nuclear weapons into Japan" for the purpose of nuking China.

日本曾要求美国核打击中国

2008年12月23日04:00  来源:人民网-《京华时报》

  据新华社电日本外务省22日公开的外交文件显示,前首相佐藤荣作曾要求美国在中国和日本爆发战争时核打击中国。

  日本共同社报道,佐藤荣作1965年1月首次以首相身份访美时,与美国时任国防部长罗伯特·斯特兰奇·麦克纳马拉会谈。鉴于中国1964年10月16日第一颗原子弹爆炸成功,麦克纳马拉要求佐藤说明日本在核开发问题上的基本态度。

  佐藤说,日本虽然有核开发能力,但不打算制造核武器。不过,日本一旦与中国爆发战争,“希望美国能够立刻实施核报复”,实施包括先发制人在内的核打击,可以立即启动海上舰艇配备的核武器。

  共同社说,佐藤在谈话中还默许美军携带核武器进入日本.

  共同社先前曾公开报道,佐藤与麦克纳马拉会谈前一天会见美国时任总统林顿·约翰逊时,要求美方提供“核保护伞”,得到了约翰逊的承诺。

  时过境迁。佐藤荣作后来于1968年1月明确提出“不制造、不拥有、不引进核武器”的无核三原则。这一原则于1971年11月在日本众议院全体会议上获得通过,成为日本政府关于核武器的基本政策。

  1972年9月25日至30日,时任日本首相田中角荣访问中国。9月29日,中日两国政府签署《中日联合声明》,实现中日邦交正常化。1978年8月,两国缔结《中日和平友好条约》,确认《中日联合声明》的各项原则。


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Originally posted by caringhk at 2008-12-23 09:54

Who is this guy???

i thought i saw a DEVIL Satan
He lost face when Nixon announced that he would visit China in February, 1972, and did the preparatory work for the visit without letting him know.

Tanaka was able to visit China on the invitation of Premier Zhou in the summer of that year after succeeding Sato as PM.

Only now has it been revealed by the Japs themselves that Sato had ACTUALLY asked the US to nuke China.

And he was known as a anti-nuke peace-loving Japanese P.M.

You can draw your own conclusions.
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And he was known as a anti-nuke peace-loving Japanese P.M.

Yes, you can certainly draw on your own conclusions.
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Did Sato die peacefully in bed like Hirohito's uncle who was one of the commanders and architects of the Nanjing Massacre?

Will Sato's family return the Nobel Peace Prize medal?

Will Japan's LDP admit that their election system was fixed to admit Fukuda just in time to coax a concession from China over the latter's continental shelf offshore mining rights, and when the deed was done, resigned after some deft scandals, to admit Aso?

Will the millions who remember the Hiroshima and Nagasaki events every year also sail some paper boats for Sato because he was their prime minister who wanted China nuked?

Will? Shall? Must?

WON'T Sato's portrait be admitted into the hall of infamy as an exhibit of the Nanjing Memorial if only to reflect that '300,000' wasn't enough - even after that most evil episode, the Japan government still has the temerity to visit more deaths on China, their most generous and friendliest neighbour and cultural root,  during PEACE time?

Aso, where are you now? Is your private secretary transcribing this post accurately to debrief you so that you can combine two-in-one to strategise what to do next, now that your country's Sato has been exposed as a hypocrite and mass-death planner, so that you yourself have been exposed as being groomed by a family which practised slavery of human beings,  Koreans in particular,  against the Geneva Convention?

Fukuda, where are you now? What have you to say about your countrymen?

Tanaka, where are you now? Does your computerized bulldozer need a new CPU to plough the fields of China to pick out those deadly ordnance that your countrymen had planted to kill Chinese people?

Nakasone, where are you now? What have you to say of your illustrious fellow premier?

People of Japan, where do you all stand today on these revelations? Are you men and women of peace, or the most spineless eels of the ocean?

....

.......

Now that young man at the bag deposit counter know why at the end of my visit i was too choked to answer back what was the colour of my bag after coming out of the Memorial.

wchao37, this one's for you.
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With respect comes justice



QUOTE:
Did Sato die peacefully in bed like Hirohito's uncle who was one of the commanders and architects of the Nanjing Massacre?

Will Sato's family return the Nobel Peace Prize medal?

Will Japan's LDP admit that their election system was fixed to admit Fukuda just in time to coax a concession from China over the latter's continental shelf offshore mining rights, and when the deed was done, resigned after some deft scandals, to admit Aso?

Will the millions who remember the Hiroshima and Nagasaki events every year also sail some paper boats for Sato because he was their prime minister who wanted China nuked?

Will? Shall? Must?

WON'T Sato's portrait be admitted into the hall of infamy as an exhibit of the Nanjing Memorial if only to reflect that '300,000' wasn't enough - even after that most evil episode, the Japan government still has the temerity to visit more deaths on China, their most generous and friendliest neighbour and cultural root,  during PEACE time?

Aso, where are you now? Is your private secretary transcribing this post accurately to debrief you so that you can combine two-in-one to strategise what to do next, now that your country's Sato has been exposed as a hypocrite and mass-death planner, so that you yourself have been exposed as being groomed by a family which practised slavery of human beings,  Koreans in particular,  against the Geneva Convention?

Fukuda, where are you now? What have you to say about your countrymen?

Tanaka, where are you now? Does your computerized bulldozer need a new CPU to plough the fields of China to pick out those deadly ordnance that your countrymen had planted to kill Chinese people?

Nakasone, where are you now? What have you to say of your illustrious fellow premier?

People of Japan, where do you all stand today on these revelations? Are you men and women of peace, or the most spineless eels of the ocean?

....

.......

Now that young man at the bag deposit counter know why at the end of my visit i was too choked to answer back what was the colour of my bag after coming out of the Memorial.

wchao37, this one's for you.
Kudos to you, markwu.  

I know I can always count on you.

Having just come back from an excursion, I have a few things to take care of before I respond.

But I want you to know I truly appreciate your post here -- how timely!  How thoughtful!

Remarks here yours and mine as well as those of others reflect our profound sense of "national shame" (guo chi) about our having been bullied by Japan for so long -- that we actually got clobbered by an island neighbor who even today -- fully 71 years after the Nanjing Massacre -- is denying the atrocities and their culpability in WWII.

Only a respected nation will get a sincere apology from its erstwhile foe, and that's the hard truth.

Like a woman with small bound feet, Japan is still hesitant to blurt a sincere apology right out, although lately it had tried its hand at saying sorry through a circuitous "denial of a denial".

This is the way the Bakaronips still do things on the eve of 2009.

Note this from CNN:

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Japan fires military chief over WWII denial

Story Highlights

Chief of Japan's air force dismissed for saying Japan was not aggressor in WWII

China, South Korea criticize published essay of General Toshio Tamogami

Two previous Japanese prime ministers have apologized for aggression
  
(CNN) -- A state-run Chinese newspaper expressed relief Monday that senior Japanese officials had dismissed the country's air force chief after he denied Japan's aggression before and during World War II.

Gen. Toshio Tamogami lost his job as chief of staff for Japan's Air Self-Defense Force, the Ministry of Defense said, after saying in an essay that "it is certainly a false accusation to say that our country was an aggressor nation."

Japanese troops invaded China in 1937 and were widely accused of gross human rights abuses, including raping tens of thousands of girls and women and killing several hundred thousand others in what has come to be called "The Rape of Nanking." Imperial Japan also invaded several other Asian nations, leading to the death and misery for an untold number.

Two former Japanese prime ministers have apologized for Japanese aggression before and during World War II. Yet China has long accused of elements within Japan of trying to whitewash the Japanese atrocities committed before and during World War II.

"The denial of the aggression history by Toshio Tamogami comes in as an element of disharmony," the state-run China Daily said a commentary Monday. "Yet, as long as the Japanese government has a right attitude to this question, the smooth development of ties between the two neighbors will not be derailed by such discordant notes."

Tamogami's essay, published late last week, also stirred controversy in South Korea.

Japan controlled Korea from 1910 to 1945. Its military is accused of forcing roughly 200,000 women, mainly from Korea and China, to serve as sex slaves -- they were known euphemistically as "comfort women" -- for soldiers in the Imperial Army.

The South Korean foreign ministry criticized Tamogami's commentary in a statement published by Yonhap, the South Korean news agency.

"His claim is distorting history," the statement said. "International friendly relations are based on repentance for past wrongdoings and learning a lesson from history,"

Tamogami's essay won first prize in a competition called the "True Perspective of Modern and Contemporary History."

Several Japanese leaders have apologized in recent years for past Japanese aggression.

In 2005, then-Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi apologized for his country's role in World War II on the 60th anniversary of the war's end. He vowed Japan would never again take "the path to war."

Japan agreed to surrender on August 15, 1945, after U.S. planes dropped atomic bombs on the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The formal surrender was signed September 2.

In 1995, on the 50th anniversary of the war's end, then-Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama also expressed Tokyo's deep remorse and heartfelt apology for the damage and suffering it inflicted on its Asian neighbors.

And in 2001, Koizumi apologized for Japanese treatment of Koreans during its occupation of the Korean peninsula during the first half of the 20th century.

In a statement, Koizumi acknowledged the "enormous damage" inflicted by Japan's military "by colonization and invasion" during the conflict.

"We must take this historical fact of such very sincerely, and I would like to express keen remorse and heartfelt apologies," Koizumi said. "I would like to also express our deep condolences to the victims inside and outside of Japan during World War II."

At the height of the conflict, much of southeast Asia, China and the Pacific islands were in Japanese hands.


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stand in silent tribute.

It is really a miserable memory for us Chinese people. It is the history, but someone denies it, which really makes me angry. Can history still be revised? However it is a pity, the history is revised now by some people. They deny the crime and the history.
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1879 - Ryuku (Okinawan) use of their own language forbidden by Japan

These islands, whose rulers once knelt for three days before the Zhongli Yamen begging the Qing court not to let the Japanese seize them from China, were callled the Ryukuu Islands.  Today they are better known as Okinawa.  Many Okinawans don't think of themselves as Japanese.  That's why in recent years when the Okinawan women were sexually assaulted by U.S. soldiers, the Tokyo government had always looked away.  Not once had an American GI been convicted or incarcerated by the Japanese court.

From Wikipedia this is the history of Okinawa or Ryukuu Islands, which not many Westerners are aware of:

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The Ryukyu Kingdom was once an independent kingdom occupying the island chain, from Yonaguni Island in the southwest to Amami Ōshima in the north. In 1372, it became a tributary state (藩国) of the Ming Dynasty.

In 1609, Shimazu Tadatsune, Lord of Satsuma, invaded the Ryūkyū Kingdom with a fleet of 13 junks and 2,500 samurai, thereby establishing suzerainty over the islands. They faced little opposition from the Ryukyuans, who lacked any significant military capabilities, and who were ordered by King Shō Nei to surrender peacefully rather than suffer the loss of precious lives.  After that, the kings of the Ryukyus paid tribute to the Japanese shogun as well as the Chinese emperor.

In 1879, the Meiji government announced the annexation of the Ryukyus
. Messengers sent by the Ryukyuan king had knelt outside the Beijing offices of Chinese Prime Minister Zongli Yamen for three days, pleading not to be separated from China. China, weakened from internal corruption and colonial occupation (including that of Japan) refused the request to send military protection. Instead, China made diplomatic objections and asked Great Britain to arbitrate. Great Britain decided that Japan's claim to the islands was stronger and ruled in Japan's favor. The claims of the indigenous Ryukyuans to the land were ignored.

In the process of annexation, the Japanese military assassinated Ryukyu politicians and civilians who opposed the takeover. The Ryukyu Kingdom became part of its northern neighbor, the Satsuma han. Later, it became its own prefecture, Okinawa Prefecture, when the prefectural system was adopted nationwide. Compulsory Japanese education was enforced on the Ryukyu children, whereby they were taught Japanese language, culture and identity, while strictly forbidden the use of their native language.

Military activity on the island, before and during WWII, especially the Battle of Okinawa, had a devastating effect on the Okinawan people. A huge loss of civilian life left many feeling that they were being mistreated by both the Japanese and American military. Okinawa remains the poorest prefecture in Japan to this day.

The US was granted control over Ryukyu Islands south of 29°N latitude amongst other Pacific islands, under the San Francisco Peace Treaty between the Allied Powers and Japan. US military control over Okinawa began in 1945 with establishment of the Okinawa Advisory Council. This organization eventually became the government of the Ryukyu Islands which existed from 1952 to 1972. Sovereignty was given to Japan in 1972.

Today, there are a number of issues arising from Ryukyuan history. Some Ryukyuans and some Japanese feel that people from the Ryukyus are not "real" Japanese.[citation needed] Some natives of the Ryukyus claim that the central government is discriminating against the islanders by allowing so many American soldiers to be stationed on bases in Okinawa with a minimal presence on the mainland. Additionally, there is some discussion of secession from Japan.

Many popular singers and musical groups come from the Ryukyus. These include (among many others) the pop groups Begin (ビギン) and Orange Range, singers Namie Amuro and Gackt, as well as the group Da Pump. See also Ryukyuan Music and Ryukyuan songs.

This means if Japan had won in WWII, no Chinese alive today would be able to use his/her own language.

Compare and contrast that with the language policy of the Chinese government since ancient times -- minority language use had never been restricted or forbidden (e.g the Tbetan language).  That's how they can still understand and use the more than fifty minority languages in China.
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QUOTE:
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It is really a miserable memory for us Chinese people. It is the history, but someone denies it, which really makes me angry. Can history still be revised? However it is a pity, the history is revi ...
Hi melon:

This guy is hardly alone.  

The Japanese government fired the general only when his case was thrusted into the limelight.

The kind of feeling reflected in this essay is actually quite pervasive not only in the military, but in Japanese society at large.  

Despite its trappings of modernity, the nation still displays much evidence of barbarism -- it sucks up to the strong and brawny and tramples down on the weak and scrawny, just like any savage would do.

China is getting stronger, and that's why the Japanese government's attitude has improved, not because there's been a sudden awakening of their collective conscience.  

Since the nation stills cherishes Social Darwinism,  the other side of the coin is that it gets really scared when its neighbor gets stronger because of its fear of revenge.

Just a few days ago there was news that Japanese military satellites were unable to get pictures from their satellites when they passed over China.  Some kind of laser weapon in China's mountains apparently were able to faze those satellites.

They were terrified -- it's as if they were suddenly blindfolded while walking against oncoming traffic.

No one would dare to attack China today because of this fear of the unknown amongst our adversaries.
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It's good to read your posts again, wchao37.  I must apologise for being inactive far too long - connection problems.

Certainly, this bakaronip tamogami deserves a comment or two but only as one would comment about detritus on a dirty pillow of a hospital bed in a mental asylum. Perhaps he had been caught with his pants down but production tool up in a yakuza joint one saki night and they decided he was a security risk (for not using lubricant and/or protective).  Hauled up before an internal disciplinary committee, he was told he would be let off if he could just write that essay and then be prepared to be publicly 'fired' but privately rewarded with good tax-free money for being such a rah-rah nipponite bigot.

It's a game to them.  A premier would come onboard and make some kind of slanted apology only a mite stronger than that of their emperor. Then, after a suitable period of lull to let that apology sink in to win some goodwill, some one or other from their ranks of schizophrenic conspirators would appear to deny there was any atrocity, any aggression, even any massacre as if the victims raped, impaled, shot and beheaded themselves.  Then the next thing that will happen will be the guy being fired so as to show that the japanese govt 'values goodwill'.  But apparently not truth - for after that another of their leaders will come up to apologize, and then another of their leader or general or journalist or lawmaker will deny.  And the cycle repeats itself.

This type of chicanery serves a dual purpose - one, to tell their own japanese people how much sacrifice their premiers have to make to admit to what 'didn't' happen,  and then, after the usual uproars, force the culprit concerned to 'resign',  thereby reinforcing the act of 'sacrifice' while seemingly appeasing the victim nations and hoepfully winning the next round of goodwill ahead of terms to be negotiated afresh in the next round of talks for 'mutual cooperation and goodwill.'

The next time one of their premiers or statesmen or socalled leader turns up to 'apologize', just tell him to apologize in advance for the conspirator he's hiding in his closet and also show the 'you're fired' letter duly undated.

If he doesn't do that, don't accept the apology.  If he does that, it proves what i have written is true.

As true as what anyone will think how someone who can write a baloney essay can be awarded first prize by what must at least comprise more than one person in the decision-making.

After all, if no aggression happened, all those men in uniforms and otherwise who were tried as war criminals in tokyo must have died in vain.  Is that why they are also remembered in that shrine?

Chairman was right and still is. The only shield to face off devils and hypocrites is to be stronger than them.
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The next time one of their premiers or statesmen or socalled leader turns up to 'apologize', just tell him to apologize in advance for the conspirator he's hiding in his closet and also show the 'you're fired' letter duly undated.


Yes, Chinese leaders have their own plans in reining in Japan.  I'll discuss this in the other thread.  Thanks again.
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Yes, as I know. The history book of Japanese has been revised by the government. So the young Japanese still know the false history.
It is really annoying. If a nation can not face to its history correctly and faithfully, how can it go for the present and future. The most bravest hero is the one who can face to its real history and present.
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Yes, as I know. The history book of Japanese has been revised by the government. So the young Japanese still know the false history.
It is really annoying. If a nation can not face to its history  ...
They are erasing the factual content of their own memories because they recognize the enormity of their crimes -- if their crimes hadn't been this grave it would have been a no-brainer for them to admit to them.

More than a hunderd ways -- including many innovations like stuffing gasoline-soaked rags into a woman's vagina after a rape and setting it on fire to maximize the pain, the vaginal mucosa being the most sensitive skin in a woman's body -- were devised to kill a Chinese by the Japanese.

In this thread you also see evidence of what the Japanese did to allied soldiers in the captured ships on the high seas.

You never would have thought this was humanly possible.

The Germans never did that to the French during their occupation of Vichy France.
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They are erasing the factual content of their own memories because they recognize the enormity of their crimes -- if their crimes hadn't been this grave it would have been a no-brainer for th ...

It really drives me crazy.
When I studied in Changchun, my freinds from Changchun told me the facts when the Japanese invade their hometown. As we all known, Changchun is very cold in winter. The Japanese drove the Changchun people to the outer of the house, and let them naked. After they were freezed, the Japanese moved them in the house, and then chop their ears with sticks........ The people can't feel the pains until their bodies became warmer enough to feel the pains. It really makes me cry and crazy..........
So now I still hate Japanese.
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by melon1008 at 2008-12-26 19:09
Yes, as I know. The history book of Japanese has been revised by the government. So the young Japanese still know the false history.
It is really annoying. If a nation can not face to its history  ...


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Originally posted by wchao37 at 2008-12-26 19:19
They are erasing the factual content of their own memories because they recognize the enormity of their crimes -- if their crimes hadn't been this grave it would have been a no-brainer for them to admit to them. ...
I understand why you are angry.

However, if you are so upset at their attempts to revise history, why has there been no outcry from today's youth about the revision of China's own history.

During the 1960's millions of Chinese dies unnecessarily, yet only 'government authorised' research into this history is allowed - no independent research. P.arty leaders were excused for their roles during these times. There was clearly a whitewash to protect those in power. Today we have a party who is concerned that if their past misdemeanors come to light, they will look bad to the people.

Yet the people choose only to forget.

You choose not to forget what the Japanese did. You choose to ignore the whitewash your own leaders visited upon the Chinese people.  Why?
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