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China leads on renewable energy...

China Powers Ahead on Renewable Energy

WASHINGTON, Nov 15 (OneWorld) - China is well on its way to acquiring fully 15 percent of its energy from renewable sources by the year 2020, while the United States is dragging its feet on transitioning away from fossil fuels, according to a pair of reports released here this week.

Nations across the globe invested over $50 billion collectively into renewable energy conversion last year, and in 2007 China alone is expected to account for some $10 billion of investment, explains "Powering China's Development: The Role of Renewable Energy," released Wednesday by the Worldwatch Institute, an independent Washington, DC research group.

With this large financial commitment, China looks poised to pass solar and wind energy leaders in Europe and North America and in the next three years become the world's leader in renewable energy, the report notes, adding that, at this pace, China will draw 30 percent of its power from renewable sources by 2050.

"The future of the global climate may rest in large measure on China's ability to lead the world into the age of renewable energy, much as the United States led the world into the age of oil roughly a century ago," said Worldwatch President Christopher Flavin.

Renewable energy continues to be marginalized in many national energy plans despite its numerous benefits, say environmental and geopolitical experts. The environmental benefits are well-known, but also important, they say, is that renewable energy sources -- unlike traditional fossil fuels -- will never run out.

While the Chinese government advances closer towards its renewable energy goals, the United States appears to be lagging. The U.S. Congress recently discussed dropping several key provisions from the energy legislation it is considering.

The terms in question would mandate a 35-mile-per-gallon (mpg) fuel efficiency standard for the U.S. fleet of cars and light trucks; an expansion of renewable energy tax incentives; and a 15-percent share of the nation's energy to come from renewable sources by the year 2020.

But the United States had already set its goals low, and by dropping these provisions it will fall farther behind the rest of the world, said the Sustainable Energy Network, an umbrella group of over 500 organizations, businesses, and individuals that promotes renewable energy and energy efficiency.

In response to Congress' threat to drop the provisions, 100 of the group's members, including Public Citizen's Energy Program and the Redwood Alliance, sent a letter Wednesday urging lawmakers against this action. The letter declared that the goals to be dropped are actually less than "what has been technically and economically achievable for many years."

Although a target fuel efficiency standard of 35 mpg is "a significant improvement," the groups said, with hybrid technology the United States is easily capable of reaching 55 mpg, and with fuel cell technology could possibly go as high as 80 mpg in the future.

The same can be said of the tax incentive and energy share provisions of the bill, according to the groups. The goal of a 15 percent renewable energy share by 2020 pales in comparison to Germany's plan to source 45 percent of its electricity from renewables by 2030.

Many U.S. states, including California, Minnesota, Hawaii, and Colorado, have set goals of 20 percent renewable energy shares by 2020 or earlier. If these states can make these ambitious targets, then the nation should at least aim for similar goals, say the letter's signers.

If the United States does not wish to fall behind in global efforts to convert to cleaner and safer renewable energy, then it must move forward -- not backward -- on the legislative front, the groups warned.
2007-11-16 10:40 AM#1
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wise decision, that needs more efforts to back up

absolutely China government is making the very right decision to vigorously reasearch and develop non-fossil or renewable energy resources.

amid worldwide outcry over global warming problem or crisis,  China doesn't complain too much.

We are just get it done.
2007-11-16 10:44 AM#2
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""""" China doesn't complain too much.

We are just get it done. """""

That about sums it up CD
2007-11-16 12:06 PM#3
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Change in the U.S. attitude? Not likely

Good news.

Excellent news.

Now Bush shouldn't be seen to be guarding the interests of the Texan oil barons exclusively.

Or would he change?
2007-11-16 06:13 PM#4
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Every Problem is An Opportunity

The renewable energy industry is a microcosm of how modern China tackles problems.

Identify the problem, plan a solution, put together the people and the resources, develop the solutions, do it in a massive way after exhaustive testing and validation, grow the industry to compete on the world scene, take the companies public and monetize the successes.

A winning combination that.
2007-11-17 12:52 AM#5
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Exactly. When China develops ways to make sustainable energy production more efficient and less expensive to use, then this technology is a great export product, equal in value to cars or computers. For example it's possible to 'catch' co2 emissions from the emission pipes of factories and power plants and to store these gasses underground, but this is an expensive technique. China has thousands of coal burning power plants, if it develops co2-burial techniques for them then China would become the world leader in that market (and at the same time it would prevent a lot of co2 pollution).
2007-11-17 08:53 PM#6
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it is vital to build a resource-conversing,environment-friendly society.
2007-11-18 01:06 PM#7
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I am glad China is going along the global road to more ecologically-friendly technological development; I welcome in particular the rapid extending of Chinese railway lines and their electirification. Renewable energy? I have seen windmill farms between Shanshan and Urumqi - great! The spread of electric scooters that replace combustion-engine bikes: good too!

But slapping oneself on the shoulders is a tad premature: China is still relying on coal to a life-threatening extent. And CHina is actively and passively facilitating car ownership in a nation where the car as a status symbol has more value than the car as a simple means of transport. This has tremendous political and strategic implications!

Also, while I gladly save a few kuai a month by using low-wattage energy-saving lights I have to buy new ones at an alarming rate, and at great expense. Whose interest am I satisfying by buying such bulbs every year?
2007-11-19 09:57 AM#8
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good news
2007-11-19 02:51 PM#9
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Global warming is a big issue that has been discussed a lot internationally and it is a problem that needs to  addressed through cooperation all around the world .China joined the Kyoto Protocol and made commitment to cut carbon dioxide emission by a large percent.Now China is making a lot ofeffort to fulfil its tasks by investing a large sum of money in renewable energy and through other methods.However China still needs to do more to meet its ambitious goal and maintain its sustainable development
America as a developed country is very irresponsible
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""""  China is still relying on coal to a life-threatening extent. And CHina is actively and passively facilitating car ownership in a nation where the car as a status symbol has more value than the car as a simple means of transport. """""

The reliance on coal is probably understandable.
Many poor villagers rely on it for cheap power  although I'd love to see that change.

I would also guess that China has more excuse to use coal than England who claims to be much further on in it's development. I guess I'd rather see the English pay more for power than a poor Chinese villager.

As far as cars go......I think China has got this one very wrong.
All of those cars are going to be nightmare to control in the future.

Should China with it's huge population allow anything but the smallest city car?
If they want a status symbol, add a 100,000 rmb per year status tax for the damage they are doing to their country.

For a country with such a clever government, I must confess that I don't understand the logic.  
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ZG,

Uh... China relies on coal because coal is still the most effective way to add generating capacity and will be for a long time. It's a very efficient, proven technology that relies on a very abundant resource and has generating technologies that are priced affordably for nearly every operation. Most renewable energy has huge costs involved in building the capacity and, worse still, can't be added as rapidly. Outside of those, you have problems stemming from development: pretty much all hydropower is tapped in developed countries and nuclear power poses major hazards. So you've basically got coal and then waiting to fix the brownouts, it shouldn't surprise that coal capacity gets added and then stays.

It's just a good way to get power, period, for everyone.
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reply #11

I agree that Chinese government needs now to give a serious consideration on controlling the growth of the street sedans in major cities.   Not only it  snarles the traffic, but also waste fossil fuel and damagr the air which we inhale every minute.
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Renewable is expensive.

Implement only when it is viable.



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2008-3-24 01:06 PM#14
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Good news and something China should be congratulated on.

I wish the pragmatic attitude to problem solving were the same in England, but vested interests, the infrastructure and (You'll probably love this) the fear of the media reaction and therefore the imagined response from the electorate mean that progress here will be slow, difficult and expensive.

So much so, even though the UK government is investing in carbon sequestering and nuclear far more than its pitiful investment in renewables (Much to the chagrin of those entrepenuers who are trying to push home-grown renewables), that it isn't difficult to see China disappear into the future.
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Reply #15 thedacs's post

The UK is the lead nation in the BRITISH CLUB, it has the resources that is 3x of China!

They don't need to use reneweable desperately.
All they need is a strong navy!

China on the other hand, needs to use some RENEWABLEs where economically viable, such as when it's cheaper (hydroelectric, geothermal), in remote regions (bio waste fuel, wind, solar) and to do some price capping while helping farmers earn more (ethanol fuel from cassave or cane sugar!)

cheerios!


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2008-4-3 11:51 AM#16
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see, the positive effects on Laos, IndoChina!

Suddenly China is a friend instead of a feared tyrant!

Good PR policies and economic benefits for China and Indochinese!


cheerios!

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I am interested to know what is 'British Club'? Britain isn't leading anything anymore.

I don't think my country even has 5% of China's resources... and which resources we did have were depleted during industrial revolution. Even our oil is past its peak.


By the way, UK has to follow EU rules and EU rules say 20% renewables by 2020... so if we somehow manage to abide by that target, we should be keeping slightly ahead of China.

I think this goal is much more important for China, as their demand for energy will be growing exponentially in the next few decades... whilst Britain/Europe's will not grow much. So we all have a moral obligation to rescue the environment (apparently), but China's *real* reasons to go renewable are a lot more substantial.

Fusion may be a good solution, and EU is winning that race. But personally, Solar Power looks like the best option.

World spends about $2-3 trillion on Fossil Fuels each year... but spending just $10 trillion (non-recurring) would buy you over 20,000 square km of Solar Panels (lets say 50% efficiency), more than enough for the world's current and future energy needs.
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As of today, the European-made Solar Taxi is in China, and is scheduled to be shown to the masses in Kunming, Yunnan on this Sunday.

The Solar Taxi is a home-made solar-powered car that can easily cruise at well above 100 km/h and do several hundred klicks a day.

It has been travelling from Central Europe to Turkey, Syria,  Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Abu Dabi, India, Australia, SIngapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos.

After Kunming it is expected to be shown around in Guangzhou.
2008-4-20 09:49 AM#19
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by wuzhilaowai at 2008-4-20 09:41
greendragon

I am interested to know what is 'British Club'? Britain isn't leading anything anymore.

I don't think my country even has 5% of China's resources... and which resources we did hav ...
I would also like to know what the 'British Club' is all about and am interested to know about the resources. Perhaps 'greendragon' considers countries such as Canada or Malaysia to be 'British Club'? Some clarification is needed.
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