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seechan
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Hong Kong still suffers from colonial syndrome

One country two systems works in some respect but I think our government is allowing the Hong Kong administration to get away with too much.  The following is a list of things that should not be allowed.

1.  English should not be allowed to be used as a co-official language.  For a country to give a foreign language official status is to admit that our language is not good enough.  This is most absurd.  Chinese is the oldest and the richest language in the world.  People all over the world are now studying Chinese so that they can enjoy the Chinese culture and lterature.  To encourage people to learn English as a second language is fine but to make it a co-official language is very insulting.

2.  The judges in the Hong Kong's high court should not be allowed to keep on wearing those silly looking shoulder length wigs.  It amounts to telling the world openly that they are still loyal to England.  And they should not be allowed to require people to address them as 'my lord' or 'my lady' or 'your lordship'.  China had done away with the lords and ladies of the imperial courts since our revolution in 1911.  See attachments of pictures.  Chinese judges do not look that silly.  They look more like clowns to me.

3.  Hong Kong should not be allowed to hire foreigners especially in high sensitive position such as in law enforcement where they can have access to sensitive and internal security documents and information.  Hong Kong police still have some Englishmen serving in high position.  MI6 and CIA agents are laughing their heads off.  Their jobs are made so mcuh easier. We might as well do away with any internal security measurement and invite the MI6 and CIA agents to all their internal meetings.

4.  All government positions whether elected or appointed should be reserved for Chinese citizens only.  They should not be allowed to hold dual citizenship.  If they want to retain their foreign citizenship they should not be allowed to run for office of any kind or to hold any kind of position in the government.  Every nation in the world has this requirement.

5.  Until the people of Hong Kong have completely got rid of their 'Colonial Syndrome', they should not be allowed universal suffrage.  Right now a lot of the people in Hong Kong still think of themselves as superior to the people from the mainland.  A lor of them holds citizenship of another country.  There are still a lot of people in Hong Kong who wish they were still living under the Colonists.  There is no telling how pitiful some people are.

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2007-6-29 01:14 PM

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seechan sounds like you want to go back to the past. I mean I agree that HK people can go a bit far with the English stuff by geeez.

1. English is the world language whether you like it or not. It should be a co language in all Chinese schools, mainland included.. Chinese will never have the broad usage that English has. That is just a fact of life.

2. Yes, the stupid wigs can go from HK and foreign countries too. What a joke they are.

3 & 4. I totally disagree. In fact I think the CCP should also consider foreigners in government. Those foreigners that are loyal to a country have a very important input in dealing with the outside and bringing new ideas. I would love to see some westerners working in the CCP foreign affairs department. China might then get a fairer go in the world press. What you are saying has a racist undertone. I’d like to see more foreigners in China and more Chinese in western governments. There are many foreigners here that love China as their own country and they should not have to answer to people like you.

5. Yes many do think they are superior to the mainland but that idea is loosing ground and will continue to.
Again you sound like a closet racist.

I suggest you open you mind up a bit. We are all people that live in this world first and a country second.
You have a very closed, nationalistic attitude that borders on racism.

Time to get a life and open your mind.

2007-6-29 01:35 PM

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Reply #1 seechan's post

it's a cheap way for Chinese citizens to "check out" the British System.....instead of the need to fly and spend 10x more going to UK to study!

ha ha ha

Always think POSITIVELY!

HA HA HA

Green Dragon

2007-6-29 03:30 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by greendragon at 2007-6-29 15:30
it's a cheap way for Chinese citizens to "check out" the British System.....instead of the need to fly and spend 10x more going to UK to study!

ha ha ha

Always think POSITIVELY!

...

cheap,cheaper.......chirp chirp chirp

2007-6-29 04:05 PM

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Utter nonsense from the first poster

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Originally posted by seechan at 29-6-2007 05:14
English should not be allowed to be used as a co-official language.

Given China encourages the learning of English in schools, I think that is a ridiculous comment to make. Hong Kong is a true international city - let them have English as an official language if they wish.

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The judges in the Hong Kong's high court should not be allowed to keep on wearing those silly looking shoulder length wigs. It amounts to telling the world openly that they are still loyal to England.

Lol, that is ridiculous. It's a link to their history and the fact their legal system was born from ours.

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Hong Kong should not be allowed to hire foreigners

Why stop there? You could stick up some "no whitey" signs outside shops, restaurants and hotels!

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All government positions whether elected or appointed should be reserved for Chinese citizens only

What's wrong with dual nationality? I think it's great.

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Until the people of Hong Kong have completely got rid of their 'Colonial Syndrome', they should not be allowed universal suffrage.

What, you mean feel positive about any aspect of British rule? I think you don't have the right to make that decision for them. It's up to Hong Kongese to decide how they feel about the past and the present. After all they have the legal right to do so. No one has the right to insist they all think the same way.

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Right now a lot of the people in Hong Kong still think of themselves as superior to the people from the mainland

A lot of Shanghaise think they're better than other Chinese.
A lot of Beijingers think they're better than other Chinese.

So what?

I think you need to lighten up and leave Hong Kongers alone. Go see a psychiatrist or something to help you with your prejudices.

2007-6-29 08:48 PM

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Remember, it's one country two systems. Some are byproducts coming with the system.

I don't expect those to be changed.

2007-6-29 08:56 PM

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ZG,

Good luck on the wigs. People like them because people like to play dress-up.

2007-6-29 10:28 PM

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schreiber

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2007-6-29 10:46 PM

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ZG,

Hah! But please, do better than than the English; contrary to the prevailing opinion of English courts, a lamb is not a proper wig.

2007-6-29 11:19 PM

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schreiber.

Think I'll leave the curly clown stuff alone.

2007-6-29 11:23 PM

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ZG,

It's good to see common sense prevail on this forum for once.

2007-6-29 11:30 PM

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agreed

2007-6-29 11:48 PM

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re #1

I thought you would write something of importance that shows the remains of colonial power and privilege that truly threatens the development of HK - the HK Jockey Club comes immediately to my mind.

But instead you attack things of no real importance such as the high court judges' wigs, really, who cares?

Why don't you judge HK officials by their ability not their citizenships?

Also how much sensitive information do you think Chinese central government would pass onto HK law enforcement agency?

Get real!

2007-7-1 03:07 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by toksave at 2007-7-1 17:07
I thought you would write something of importance that shows the remains of colonial power and privilege that truly threatens the development of HK - the HK Jockey Club comes immediately to my mind ...

I understand that the HKJC contributes around 12% of the HK government's budget ! Mind you, that would seem to indicate too many people with gambling problems.

BTW, Toksave, ever lived in PNG?

2007-7-1 05:10 PM

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The compelling reason that HK needs China?
It would otherwise be nothing but a backwater.

No Minerals or Energy
Almost no manufacturing.
No farming

It would be a fishing village witth a large service and financial industry which a few fisherman don't need.
It also has little to offer the tourist now.

I think that 1997 saved Hong Kong.
Profits of H.K traders have dwindled away to nothing as more customers go straight to China.
Only those HK people with string financial links to China such as property and their own factories are wealthy. The service and financial industry runs on these wealthy people.
Pull out the Chinese companies from the HK stock market and it would be a major disaster.

The fact is H.K doesn't generate wealth, it uses it.

2007-7-2 09:36 AM

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"Mind you, that would seem to indicate too many people with gambling problems."

Precisely EC, how come gambling is not banned or reduced and is instead exploited by granting monopoly rights to a non-government organisation? That to me is colonial power at work.

If HK is going to move towards universal suffrage, wouldn't a single organisation that contributes up to 12% of HK's total tax and much of HK's social welfare be in some way a compromise to that - not that HKJC doesn't have much influence today.

Yes, I did spend two years in Papua New Guinea. But my pidgin is quite rusty. I think I was listening to O-shen when I was deciding my user name.

2007-7-2 11:06 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by toksave at 2007-7-3 01:06
Precisely EC, how come gambling is not banned or reduced and is instead exploited by granting monopoly rights to a non-government organisation? That to me is colonial power at work.

If HK is going to move towards universal suffrage, wouldn't a single organisation that contributes up to 12% of HK's total tax and much of HK's social welfare be in some way a compromise to that - not that HKJC doesn't have much influence today.

Don't get me wrong, I think horseracing is an unproductive parasitic "industry".
The gambling associated with it does seem quite popular to HKers, but then you only need to take a ferry ride to the other side of the Pearl River and see what's going on in Macau with all the casinos and (apparently) the large number of mainlanders who come over to gamble there.
Down here in Victoria there's the realisation that we've got a gambling problem, but the government is addicted to the income.
I don't think it's a colonial issue as much as a social problem which all sorts of governments are reluctant to properly tackle.

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Originally posted by toksave at 2007-7-3 01:06
Yes, I did spend two years in Papua New Guinea. But my pidgin is quite rusty. I think I was listening to O-shen when I was deciding my user name.

Lovely people, shame about the raskols.
My brother lived and worked in Lae for 2 or 3 years. I visited for 2 weeks (in the mid 1980s).

I love Neo-Melanesian/Pidgin. Very informal. The scratchie lotto tickets "Sapos you bagarapim tiket, you nokin win moni ! " Pretty clear and to the point there!

Recently I had some dealings with an Australian company called "Wontok", I asked about the name, apparently one of the owners is from a well known Australian family with a history in PNG.

I think the "Pidgin" sticks with people because of its elegant straightforwardness and lack of pretence.

Cheers
JB

2007-7-3 10:23 PM

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this is original? or quoted?

2007-7-4 10:38 AM

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