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MOD: Iran seizes 15 Royal Navy personnel

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15 British naval personnel have been seized by Iranian naval vessels today, 23 March 2007.

The incident took place at approximately 0910 Iraqi time.

The British Personnel were engaged in routine boarding operations of merchant shipping in Iraqi territorial waters in support of UNSCR 1723 and the government of Iraq.

Operating from HMS Cornwall, the UK boarding party had completed a successful inspection of a merchant ship when they and their two boats were surrounded and escorted by Iranian vessels into Iranian territorial waters.

We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level and on the instructions of the Foreign Secretary, the Iranian ambassador has been summoned to the Foreign Office.

The British Government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment.

The MOD is currently in the process of informing the next-of-kin of the 15 personnel and would strongly urge the privacy of all families involved to be respected at what will be an extremely difficult time.

Any speculation about what might happen or the way our people may be treated could be genuinely dangerous, and the MOD urges media to refrain from such speculation whilst the Government conducts its urgent discussions with the Iranian authorities.

The MOD has activated a helpline for concerned families. The number is 08457 800 900.
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Britain says 15 Royal Navy sailors and marines have been detained by Iranian naval forces in Iraqi waters in the Persian Gulf.

    The detained British navy personnel were in two inflatable boats from the HMS Cornwall, pictured here in the North Arabian Gulf this month. The detained British navy personnel were in two inflatable boats from the HMS Cornwall, pictured here in the North Arabian Gulf this month.
    (British Royal Navy/Associated Press)

Royal Navy personnel were on routine patrols of merchant shipping in Iraqi territorial waters Friday, the British Defence Ministry said.

The sailors had just completed a search of a merchant ship suspected of smuggling cars. The vessel was cleared to continue on its journey.

But as the British sailors were getting on to their own vessel, they were surrounded by Iranian naval vessels and seized at gunpoint.

The British sailors were taken into Iranian waters but it is unclear where they are being held.
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The ministry has issued a demand to Iranian authorities for "the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment."

"[The British government] is adamant that its sailors were in Iraqi territorial waters, not in Iranian waters," the CBC's Adrienne Arsenault said.

The Iranian ambassador has been summoned to the foreign office in London.

Cmdr. Kevin Aandahl of the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet said the British crew members were intercepted by several larger patrol boats operated by Iranian sailors belonging to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy, a radical force that operates separately from the country's regular navy.

The Iranian boats normally carry bow-mounted machine guns, while the British boarding party carried only sidearms, Aandahl said. No shots were fired and there appeared to be no physical harm done to any personnel involved or their vessels, Aandahl said.

The seizure of the British vessels, a pair of rigid inflatable boats known as RIBs, took place in long-disputed waters just outside the mouth of the Shatt al-Arab waterway that divides Iraq from Iran, Aandahl said. A 1975 treaty gave the waters to Iraq, and U.S. and British ships commonly operate there, but Aandahl said Iran disputes Iraq's jurisdiction over the waters.

"It's been in dispute for some time," Aandahl said. "We've been operating there for a couple of years and we know the lines very well. This was a compliant boarding, this happens routinely. What's out of the ordinary is the Iranian response."

Arsenault said it is expected that Iran will accuse the British sailors of being spies as they did during a similar incident in 2004, when eight British sailors were seized.

In that incident, however, it was accepted that they had veered into Iranian territorial waters.

They were presented blindfolded on Iranian television and admitted entering Iranian waters illegally.

The sailors were released unharmed after three days.
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Well, well, this should be interesting! The Iranians haven't commented yet, but I imagine that they will deny the MoD's claim that the ship was in Iraqi waters at the time of the alleged seizure. It should be interesting to see what happens as the facts on this matter start coming out... will this be a repeat of the 1979 hostage crisis (complete with military intervention), or a much less serious situation like the Hainan Island incident? Time will tell!

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2007-3-24 12:19 AM#1
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Originally posted by irishinuk at 2007-3-24 00:19
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Well, well,  ...
So, it seems that the British have being doing their twisted bit to start the ball rolling!
No doubt on behalf of Uncle sam.
2007-3-24 12:24 AM#2
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We'll have to wait to see what the Iranians have to say about all of this. I've checked the Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs... no word yet.
2007-3-24 12:27 AM#3
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Lets get the party started!
2007-3-24 12:52 AM#4
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One wonders what kind of "party" this will be...
2007-3-24 01:00 AM#5
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Could be. It all hinges on whose territorial waters the boats were in at the time of the seizure (if indeed a seizure is confirmed to have taken place).
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"gangster vermin"

I dig your positively Hitler-esque turn of phrase!
2007-3-24 02:14 AM#9
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Can anyone spell...

Tonkin bay!
2007-3-24 02:39 AM#10
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Iranian Justification?

If the ship were truly in Iranian territory, they had the right to detain the British.  They also have the responsibility to treat them well and return British citizens and property.

If they cannot prove that the British were in Iranian territory, what do you believe the appropriate reaction of the British should be?  And what should the British reaction be if their citizens are not promptly returned?

What if these were Chinese who were being held?
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This kind of thing has happened before, and the British sailors were returned without too much trouble. The difference between this case and the 2004 incident is that last time, the UK vessels were clearly in Iranian waters at the time (the MOD freely admitted to this). Whereas in this case, the MOD is claiming that the sailors were removed from Iraqi waters...
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Originally posted by nosferatu at 2007-3-24 03:44
If they cannot prove that the British were in Iranian territory, what do you believe the appropriate reaction of the British should be?  And what should the British reaction be if their citizens are not promptly returned?
I don't think that the British could take on the Iranians on their own! The Iranians would crucify them.

The British would need the Americans. But this is probably part of the plan to ratchet up the pressure on Tehran
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A bold step by Iran. May be they want to create a pressure on WEST. By the way one question arises over here. How many of u believe that Iran soldiers went into the Iraq water (Which is actually USA and Co. water now) and grabbed 15 marines (Remember marines r commandos)?
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Oh i have just read in another website that these soldiers r actually more than 15 and all of them r not marines. Some r marines and some r sailors.
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Storm in a tea-cup.

This is another international incident we do not need. Let us hold fire till details are released.

If the British troops were in Iranian waters and this can easily be verified in this day and age of GPS and the likes, then the British need to apologise and beg for forgiveness. The Iranians are most likely to return these pawns unharmed and intact. They are more keen to " make their point " about national security and sovereignty etc.

If the British are in Iraqi or international waters, then the Iranians must apologise and promise not to be naughty again. Send the Brits back with some lollies for their discomfort.

The rest of the pontificators should hold their fire and not offer any conspiratorial and comical scenarios.
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Statement from Royal Navy Commodore Nick Lambert

http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/ConWebDoc.8522

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Speaking to the press today, Royal Navy Commodore Nick Lambert, Commander of the coalition forces operating in the North Arabian Gulf, said:

"My immediate concern obviously is for my people. I've got 15 sailors and marines who've been arrested by the Iranians and my immediate concern is that their safety and that their safe return to me is ensured. And I can assure all of the families who are listening out there that everything is being done at the highest levels of the UK government and indeed of the coalition structure that we are working under to ensure that safe return is possible.

"I'm speculating to a certain extent; we know our helicopter reported that they saw the boats being moved up the Shatt-al-Arab waterway towards an Iranian base up there and we know that there was no fighting, there was no engagement, no weapons or anything like that; it was entirely peaceful and we've been assured from the scant communications that we've had from the Iranians at a tactical level that the 15 people are safely in their hands.

"I know that my people behaved in an extremely professional way, I've been out with the boarding parties on many occasions myself. Everything I've seen from the report of the situation suggested that they reacted in impeccable fashion, totally professional, entirely in line with the rules of engagement and the direction that I have given them. And I have to say that I'm extremely impressed with what they have done, and I look forward to seeing them on their return to the vessel."
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by nosferatu at 2007-3-24 05:44
If the ship were truly in Iranian territory, they had the right to detain the British.  They also have the responsibility to treat them well and return British citizens and property....
Nosferatu is correct here, and we hope that the British Sailors are returned unharmed.

The difficulty with this incident is that the Iranian authorities' record on diplomatic niceties is not good.

The taking of hostages from the US embassy in Tehran, all those years ago, was a clear breach of diplomatic conventions and has led to bad relations between the two countries for decades despite the two countries having many common interests and a large Iranian-American community.
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Kangaroo court .

Emu the judge and executioner is already getting the noose ready before the trial. It is the past history of hostage taking and such , you see ? The Brits and the Americans are not exactly babes in arms , purer than the driven snow you will recall ? Guantanamo Bay in fact houses people captured outside the USA in a third country. One law for us and another for the rest of the human race.

If the Brits can prove their boarding party's location they'd better provide the trig readings. So far no words or insistence that they were in international or Iraqi waters do not bode well for them. Those motherhood statements of ' proper conducts ' are just that : motherhood statements.

Stop oiling the gallows yet emu. This is no kangaroo courts.
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