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Eastern Christians vs Western ones

(from another post)

After thinking about this, I wonder if there is a difference between the two?

Western Christians is based on Capitalism, which breeds self interests, profit, materialism.

Eastern Christians comes under communism, which seems (on the surface) go hand in hand, "the whole is more important than the individual" a "harmonious society".
Under these conditions it maybe possible (as long as it is separated from the west) for these "ideals" to flourish and compliment each other.

HOWEVER......

Strict interpretation of the Bible WILL throw everything out the window! NO MAN HAS THE POWER TO INTERPRET THIS CORRUPTED BOOK!

Just take the "morals" of the teachings:

1) BE GOOD TO EACH OTHER
2) HELP EACH OTHER
3) PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL
4) TOLERANCE AND UNDERSTANDING (even to non believers)
5) MATERIALISM IS NOT GOOD
6) BE UNSELFISH

If we all can follow these simple "ideals".......

THE WORLD WILL BE A BETTER PLACE!!!!!!!!

2009-11-2 08:41 AM

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Curious...

... which post and thread you have carried this from?

2009-11-2 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by tradervic at 2009-11-2 08:44
... which post and thread you have carried this from?

From "1 million bibles"

2009-11-2 08:48 AM

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Do not trust the Christians

Japan was the only non-Western power in history to retain its independence and avoid the worst aspects of colonialism because it was quick to recognize the threat of Christianity and outlaw the religion. This is because the Spainish missionaries and sailors when drunk would talk about how first the priests would come followed by the Spainish empire. The Japanese Shogunate, charged with protecting the Japanese people and Emperor thus declared Christianity a "thinly disguised way to conquer other people's kingdoms" and ordered the priests "martyred".

I am not sure China needs to go to this extreme, but I would not trust the Christians because they are almost always right-wing, and their view very much contrasts with a scientific world view. They tend to see everything as absolutes, and believe the secular world is being controlled by the devil to test our faith before Armageddon. There are more liberal Christians, but they are usually the minority, and even then they will often times have some right-wing beliefs, against gay marriage or against abortion, etc.

In any case, the Christians and the capitalists usually work together. This is because 1- Studies show the more miserable people are, the more poor and scared they are, the more likely they are to turn to religion. I do not believe the priests are aware of these studies, but I have no doubt that they have an instinctive sense, built from personal experience, that more desperate people are often very likely to turn to religion for guidance. 2- Capitalists realize religion is very useful for getting people to accept their current hardships and injustice since it promises rewards in heaven and hell for sinners. So it makes it seem like it is okay, or irrelevant that the capitalist hoards the wealth because he will go to hell.

Again, I don't know if outlawing is necessary, and am generally liberal so against violations of free conscience or speech, but I would not trust the Christians at all. They will almost always side with the capitalists over the socialists, especially because the loss of social programs gives them a monopoly on charity which they can use to brainwash desperate/homeless people.

The best way to deal with them a lot is to make sure your people are happy, educated and taken care of. Christian groups usually subvert by first converting the people who are least satisfied with the system- the outcasts, or desperate, or scared, or crazy or uneducated. People who can be easily tricked by illogical/unscientific arguments, and then lead to rebellion against their "Satanic" government.

2009-11-2 09:10 AM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by Dermezel at 2009-11-2 09:10
Japan was the only non-Western power in history to retain its independence and avoid the worst aspects of colonialism because it was quick to recognize the threat of Christianity and outlaw the rel ...

I agree with you 100%!!!!!!

What you speak of is "Western Christians" and that is their mind set.

My question here is....

1) Is there a difference between the two?
2) Can Christians under communism "break that mold"

2009-11-2 09:18 AM

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Are Eastern Christians controlled by Western leaders?

2009-11-2 04:51 PM

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Just look how they bombed Iraq to the stone age and then convert the news orphans.

Typical religious fascism.

2009-11-2 05:06 PM

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Did the author not forget the Southern and Northern Christian ?

And how about those living in the middle of the compass ?

I am a bit confused here:

Western Christian celebrate EASTERN

Eastern Christian celebrate WESTERN ?

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2009-11-2 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by harmless at 2009-11-2 17:50
Did the author not forget the Southern and Northern Christian ?

And how about those living in the middle of the compass ?

I am a bit confused here:

Western Christian celebrate EASTERN

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Speaking about Christians in the West (America)
Compared to the ones in East (China)

Glad you are one of the "open minded" Christians

2009-11-2 05:58 PM

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Hi, yes I use to take things a bit more lightly than most.

Never build a fence around my self and try not to "hate" people.

Always try to go the bottom of things to find the truth.

Never make premature judgments about others.

At least I'll try to.

2009-11-2 06:05 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by harmless at 2009-11-2 18:05
Hi, yes I use to take things a bit more lightly than most.

Never build a fence around my self and try not to "hate" people.

Always try to go the bottom of things to find the truth.
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It was because of you I decided to start this tread.

Our conversations made me question if this is possible.

Does China's Christians have their own mind and thoughts?

Or are they the same as Western ones (following what the "leaders" say)?

2009-11-2 06:10 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by UYA at 2009-11-2 18:10

It was because of you I decided to start this tread.

Our conversations made me question if this is possible.

Does China's Christians have their own mind and thoughts?

Or are they the s ...

Okay, I think the "influence" of the CCP on all kinds of civil organizations in China - not only religious org. - cannot be denied.

The government for many years applied continuous and severe pressure on institutions like the Catholic church.
Under these pressures the churches had to bow like the bamboo in the wind. For sure, those pressures, applied over
several decades had their impact on the church.

About three years ago, when I first visited the church in Guangzhou, they celebrated the Holy Mass in a nearby run-down hall,
since the pretty Gothic Cathedral was under renovation. What caught my eyes was a billboard, several meters long in front of the
provisory makeshift church. It was in Chinese and English and it displayed in big letters the text of the law under what condition
the Church is allowed to "operate" in China. Such display of the limitations of the church was a very strange experience for me.
Compared to the freedom churches enjoy in other parts of the world I perceived it as an insult.

A church which is "watched" by the government in such a way, with surveillance cameras inside the church and plain clothed
officer listen to the sermon of the priest, does change the fabric over time. It has to bow, it has to hide, it has
to flatter people they would never flatter normally.

But obviously many priests have arranged themselves with that difficult situation. They have accepted that the church had been "renamed"
into the Patriotic Catholic Church, a "show" of loyalty, maybe forced in the beginning, than tolerated, than accepted.

Yes, this is a difference I see between East and West.

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2009-11-2 06:28 PM

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The problem with your artificial classification of "Western" and "Eastern" Christianity as I see it is that there simplyexists no commondenominator for all those "Eastern" Christians.

2009-11-2 06:28 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by harmless at 2009-11-2 18:28

Okay, I think the "influence" of the CCP on all kinds of civil organizations in China - not only religious org. - cannot be denied.

The government for many years applied continuo ...

Maybe you're not too familiar when China get in touch with missionaries in earlier days.

The missionaries worked with the opium trader and demand converts when they imperialists trampled on China's sovereignty. That's why the suspicion will be always there, for they have no respect toward Chinese soveregnty and culture.

2009-11-2 06:31 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by liuyedao at 2009-11-2 18:31

Maybe you're not too familiar when China get in touch with missionaries in earlier days.

The missionaries worked with the opium trader and demand converts when they imperialists trampled on ...

This kind of "control" is not only a problem for the churches in China, but for most other civil organizations as well.

Tell me the equivalent of these organizations in China and tell me how free are they to operate:

- Greenpeace

- Human Rights Watch

- Red Cross

- Doctors without Borders

2009-11-2 06:36 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by harmless at 2009-11-2 18:36
- Greenpeace ...

They have offices in several cities here.

But they should spare more effort toward world's buggest polluter, than being noisy in China.

QUOTE:

- Human Rights Watch

C!A controlled deceit machine.

QUOTE:

- Red Cross

WE have one, don't need them.

QUOTE:

- Doctors without Borders

They are free to operate here.

2009-11-2 06:45 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by liuyedao at 2009-11-2 18:45

They have offices in several cities here.

But they should spare more effort toward world's buggest polluter, than being noisy in China.

C!A controlled deceit machine.

WE have o ...

You do not have your own Human Rights Watch ?

I mean not a subsidiary of th multinational HWR, but I Chinese home made organization ?

You do not need to keep an eye on human treatment?

You believe your officials in Beijing or the provincial prison officers need not to be checked ?

2009-11-2 06:53 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by harmless at 2009-11-2 18:53
You do not have your own Human Rights Watch ? ...

Which regulation requires nations to have deceit machine spreading lies?

QUOTE:

I mean not a subsidiary of th multinational HWR, but I Chinese home made organization ?

What's your business here?

QUOTE:

You do not need to keep an eye on human treatment?

Does Phillipines have it?

QUOTE:

You believe your officials in Beijing or the provincial prison officers need not to be checked ?

It's not within your capacity of a German diplomat to ask this, you may ask the Phillipines.

2009-11-2 06:58 PM

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Mr. Liu

If you pair the words

"Human Rights Watch"

with the words "Philippines", "Germany", "USA", Australia", France", you name it (any nation of earth)

and paste it in google

you will get results for any country in the world - often very negative findings about Human Rights abuses - also in European countries.

Not a single European country had blocked HRW because of that.

Reason: European see this as an very important control instrument among many others.
               It is a welcome way to expose often unknown crimes committed to humans.
               Therefore we appreciate the important work of this organization.

               I bet with you, that in Germany before 1945 under a certain Adolf Hitler
               this association would have been perceived as a danger to the "harmony" of the Third Reich

You can make your conclusions now - I refrain from going any further with this.

2009-11-2 07:09 PM

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QUOTE:

Originally posted by harmless at 2009-11-2 19:09
Not a single European country had blocked HRW because of that. ...

Because C!A is not interested in toppling their allies' government.

2009-11-2 07:17 PM

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