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Post time 2012-12-3 22:17:33 |Display all floors
Our textbooks wrote that China is a Socialist democratic country with China's characteristic. That is to say, we China is also a democratic country.

However, many people think China is not a democratic country.

Then what is democracy? Is the present China a democratic country?
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Post time 2012-12-4 00:21:41 |Display all floors
This post was edited by 29042012 at 2012-12-4 00:22

So many labels and so many different contents inside a package.

Do not believe in labels - test the content.
It is indeed very practical that the party is  judge, legislator, head of the army, executor  and  publisher  all in one in China.

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Post time 2012-12-4 02:08:54 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Eudaimonia at 2012-12-4 02:37

Democracy, in Greek: δημοκρατία.

Word is made from: δήμος (demos) and κράτος (kratos). Demos meaning an assembly made by ALL the people that decides, that has the power, authority, control (kratos). In a democracy the people have the power. There are various forms of democracy, what the ancient Greeks had was a form of direct democracy meaning that the people who gathered at the assembly decided on various things directly, what we have now in the west is representative democracies which means that we vote for the people that will represent us in the assembly (parliament) that decides on things. In truth though many people may argue that it's a plutocracy meaning that the system is set up and manipulated in such a way that it serves mostly the few rich people (plutos) who fund the campaigns of the politicians, are corrupted etc etc and not really ALL the people (demos). Though some may say that since they're few you might call them "oligoi" so it might be labelled an oligarchy.
My opinion is that what most nations in the west have is essentialy a type of oligarchy or plutocracy that wants to be called a democracy. It is no coincidence that you'll hear the Greeks and the Spaniards say: "Real democracy now", and many of them advocating direct democracy. In Athens when we occupied syntagma square we had people's assemblies, we wanted to recreate an instrument of the will of the people (real democracy).
In the case of China the Chinese people are NOWHERE in the process. So, no it's not even debetable if it's a democracy.


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Post time 2012-12-4 02:27:07 |Display all floors
Eudaimonia Post time: 2012-12-4 02:08
Democracy, in Greek: δημοκρατία.

Word is made from: δήμος (demos) and κράτος ( ...

so after all that , what your saying is that it does not exist anywhere?

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Post time 2012-12-4 02:31:24 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Eudaimonia at 2012-12-4 02:34
honkam Post time: 2012-12-4 02:27
so after all that , what your saying is that it does not exist anywhere?

I'm saying that it's debateable if it exists in the west but China surely isn't a democracy. In my opinion most western countries don't really have democracies, others may disagree with my opinion about what goes on in the West ( and that's fine ) BUT saying that China is a democracy is simply absurd. The people who're saying that China is a democracy are either clueless or are lying because China doesn't even have a democratic facade. The people don't hold the power in any way, not even by voting for representatives.

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Post time 2012-12-4 02:40:24 |Display all floors
China never claim to be , but the west is always harping on about how great they have it,

and you and I know , that there is really no power to the people as they say.

At least your honest on this issue. If to be honest , if the world really did have real democracy, then

there would be no more wars.

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Post time 2012-12-4 03:28:19 |Display all floors
honkam Post time: 2012-12-4 02:40
China never claim to be , but the west is always harping on about how great they have it,

and you a ...

Most people (westerners too) don't even know what democracy really is. When you're born in something then that's all you know.

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