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Author: cindy1225    Time: 2011-11-18 13:56:14     Title: Should schools be allowed to punish students with bad grades?

Considered naughty or not performing well academically, two rows of students had to sit an exam outside a classroom at a middle school in Jinxian county, East China's Jiangxi province, Nov 8, 2011. The temperature dropped by a dozen degrees and many students were shivering in the cold.

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Author: cindy1225    Time: 2011-11-18 14:00:11

A student wears his hood for warmth as he sits an exam outside a classroom at a middle school in Jinxian county, Nov 8, 2011. [Photo/CFP]

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Author: lotusfly7    Time: 2011-11-18 14:08:54

The incident you cite I do not agree with placing the children out in the cold or other cases punishing children for not doing well in school academically. I think it's enough misery for them making them do the work they will need to do in order to catch up in their academics, that is heart breaking enough in itself.

Separating the children who create a disruptive class environment from the other children who want to learn is appropriate in  my opinion. Which in the incident you cite was the initial objective, not to punish. It simply was a bad choice to place them outside in the cold in lieu of another room that was tempered.

[ Last edited by lotusfly7 at 2011-11-18 02:52 PM ]
Author: tlzdhsy    Time: 2011-11-18 14:42:18     Title: a propriety pressure is necessary for children's growth

sometimes, a little more pressures are necessary for children's growth. what should we do just to control the pressure under a propriety degree
Author: lotusfly7    Time: 2011-11-18 14:56:12

They say 'spare the whip and spoil the child'.

Personally I do not think punishment for poor academics should be the responsibility of the institution, but rather the parents, if at all.
Author: nl20051405    Time: 2011-11-18 15:15:02     Title: Punishment is necessary to Ss"s performance at school .

For any student at school to study well and get some definite judgements from their teachers and parents is the first step to enter the real society.  Some punishment or rewards may be very necessary for the students to reach their aims at school.  Competitions cannot be avoided out of campus although the bad grades just show the past experience.  There is organized order for shooling and more challenges for adults, morally and institutionally.
Author: nl20051405    Time: 2011-11-18 16:13:30

A good school may influence a student's whole life, especially for those eager to get advanced education.  Chinese usually think nothing is as important as reading.  As a result the teaching order at campus is quite different from that in the west.  With the one-child policy spreading around the country, the parents and the Ss themselves must have more and more specific requirements for the schools they pay for a satisfying result.   For the compulsary period of time, usually the primary and the junior students, some punishments from few teachers are more often misunderstand by the society. This is also a procedure for both the Ss and the schools to get accustomed to each other.  Anyway the military schools are not what is being talked about here.
Author: cindy1225    Time: 2011-11-18 17:30:59

I think schools should be allowed to use such practices even corporal punishment to discipline the students. It’s a good punishment to use with students who don’t obey the school rules. Some students are spoiled and snotty, and behave super badly but get away with everything. I believe students will learn a lot better from such punishments.
Author: lotusfly7    Time: 2011-11-18 18:49:56

Originally posted by cindy1225 at 2011-11-18 17:30
I think schools should be allowed to use such practices even corporal punishment to discipline the students. It’s a good punishment to use with students who don’t obey the school rules. Some stud ...



Your original question referred to punishment over grades not personal behaviorism while at school. In the latter I concur with this statement of yours, but as far as grades are concerned; no, leave that to the parents as I posted earlier. In my opinion.
Author: dragon8    Time: 2011-11-18 22:56:50

Some children have a low I.Q.
Other children have a high I.Q.

Children with low I.Q. should not be punished for bad grades because later in their life they will be politicians.

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Author: MisterPanda    Time: 2011-11-19 14:53:57

What does it teach the students when you punish them with corporal punishment ? It teaches them that the use of force is always right.

I'm all for punishment as long as it is smart punishment (extra lessons, community service, etc) and only if the children are not behaving properly. You can't punish a kid for failing an exam. If he didn't study, it meansthe parents didn't do their job, parents should be punished. If he studied and failed, then it means the teacher didn't get through, teacher should reflect on how to get through to this child. There is also the possibility the kid is simply not very smart, not all children will turn out to be rocket scientists.
Author: CystalLove    Time: 2011-11-19 15:59:00

Originally posted by cindy1225 at 2011-11-18 17:30
I think schools should be allowed to use such practices even corporal punishment to discipline the students. It’s a good punishment to use with students who don’t obey the school rules. Some stud ...


Keep words in your mind, someday you will be parents. You will have kids.
Author: CystalLove    Time: 2011-11-19 16:05:14

Originally posted by MisterPanda at 2011-11-19 14:53
What does it teach the students when you punish them with corporal punishment ? It teaches them that the use of force is always right.

I'm all for punishment as long as it is smart punishment (e ...


I can't agree more with you, Panda. Even though the student failed his exam, got low marks, does't mean he didn't study hard. There is also the possibility the kid is simply not very smart, not all children will turn out to be rocket scientists.
Author: pantarhei    Time: 2011-11-19 17:14:57

School should do what they can to teach the children. If the children don't do well, they should report to parents and perhaps give advice if possible. The children is the parents responsibility.  If the children behave bad and disturb at school , they should send the child home.

If anyone else than physically punished my child I would take it very badly.
Author: ashtray    Time: 2011-11-24 09:58:17

so many questions in the case:
1. what does the school want by doing that? i don't think those bad student will turn good after being punished that way. if education is a matter so simple, anyone on the earth can open a school, teachers should do something common people can't do.
2. who gives the school the right letting teacher punish student in an anti-human way. so called bad student just study bad , making no harm to the others . i suppose they even have a right not to do so good in certain fileds as the others want.as for teacher ,somehow we should pay great respect, but teacher is also a person in the society, no more than an other one for the students . what the teacher would  do is just finding some way helpful for those bad students , no one can punish the others , except allowed by law. currently, china needs  labors-in-future have full confidence , not the slavers do nothing while others order them to do things they do not want to do . as i see , those teachers are not helpful, just the reverse.
3. there must be bad ones in a group, say , peking university, or in the teacher's own family. how can we deal with the bad ones. if we realy have spare time , let's seek the real way getting things better going.
Author: godbird    Time: 2011-11-24 23:32:01

it isn't a very reasonable method to treat the low grades students.howevey  this phonomenon is very common in china of mang places,especially in many countrysides.because  parents of city students usually deeply hope their children can get a good education and go into famous university ,they often compel  them to study up to midnight in order to get a high points.actually some of them don't require a high score as what  their parents wished before.so they also give them a publishment as theri mistakes.except it ,theri teachers also publish them with other misery appoaches .for an example ,they rank all of them after every exams and make them select their new seats according to the ranks.if you are careful in some exames,then sorry ,it is your end you must accept.
Author: raton    Time: 2013-11-2 01:46:24

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Author: dolehowyee    Time: 2013-11-2 11:23:09

No.
I've been punished in Grade one by a horrible teacher. She beat me because I didn't wirite a word correctly, even though I'm always No.1 in the class.{:soso_e109:}
Recently I heard she's not a teacher anymore
Author: Ratfink    Time: 2013-11-3 09:33:14

This post was edited by Ratfink at 2013-11-3 23:07

It's quite sad to see such a lack of fundamental knowledge being displayed by most of the posters here.

Punishing a child for bad grades achieves nothing. Those who have studied education know that school education is a one size fits all approach to teaching, it does not allow for students who do not learn by the methods employed.  It's a well known and documented fact  that there are a number of learning models and almost everyone falls in to one or more categories based loosely on 4 main groups, eg: audible (spoken word), tactile (hands on), visual (seeing it done), written (reading about it). Most people use at least one and more frequently two or more methods.

Some children however will never achieve good grades, this can be due to many reasons including lack of intelligence, motivation, missing out on essential core knowledge when younger or lack of self worth and many other reasons.

So rather than punish students with poor grades it would be better to try to find out why they perform badly at school and then devise (where possible) a working remedial solution.  This of course is the ideal path, sadly financial and time constraints preclude this from happening in the real world.


Author: bravos    Time: 2013-11-4 10:01:34

It depends. You punish a kid for his attitude, but never for his ability.
Author: symondsez    Time: 2013-11-6 22:32:55

looking at the pic , I am not sure how sitting inside the classroom will protect them from cold.

come one.......stop making issues of every small bit..........
Author: Pond    Time: 2013-11-11 14:40:43

How about punishing the teacher for not doing their job in teaching the student and encouraging the student to learn.
Author: ielts2u    Time: 2013-11-15 06:53:15

Seneca, you are not quite right on this one. Ok, the report does not mention bad behaviour, but the kids are pulled up, the parents are brought in and everything is recorded and sent to the Education Department. The kids are also referred to behaviour specialists who are embedded in even medium-sized schools. Children who are naughty are given detention, suspended, or expelled.

There is no hitting, but there is discipline. Compared to my day, when there was hitting, there does not seem to be any difference in naughtiness. However, there is a difference in how it is handled. The educational outcomes also seem much the same.

Look at the two stand-out countries for education: South Korea and Finland. They achieve pretty much the same with completely different approaches. Maybe we don't need to hit kids?
Author: youknowhat    Time: 2013-11-15 23:46:33

no matter what it is i still give 100% support to skool cos half of their time is spendin in skool...and we must give the authority to the teachers  {:soso_e114:}{:soso_e113:}
Author: Pond    Time: 2013-11-16 19:09:32

What you are talking about  is teachers beating children. No, How about discipline of teachers for incompetent teaching and failing to adequately teach the student.  
Author: Pond    Time: 2013-11-16 19:11:09

youknowhat Post time: 2013-11-15 23:46
no matter what it is i still give 100% support to skool cos half of their time is spendin in skool.. ...

With authority comes responsibility, will the teacher be punished if the teacher fails the student?
Author: fatdragon    Time: 2013-11-16 19:22:04

Schools had a legal responsibility towards providing a suitable academic environment when I went to school and even failing to provide an appropriate temperature would cause the school to come under official scrutiny and closure.

You can teach a student to learn by leading a good example so what kind of an example is this school setting by resorting to physical abuse? To freeze them because you failed to inspire them or simply because the teacher has failed to adapt to individual needs or even accept that we are not all born equal is no justification for such treatment.

However, I notice that the classroom already looks full and lack of facilities is probably still going to leave students out in the cold even if they are grade A students.

Maybe it’s time to send in the school inspectors with a remit to remove the Head Teacher and the teacher(s) for failing to provide an appropriate academic environment and heads should probably roll in the Department of Education as well.

Author: youknowhat    Time: 2013-11-17 22:23:06

Pond Post time: 2013-11-16 03:11
With authority comes responsibility, will the teacher be punished if the teacher fails the student ...

some skool the teachers do get their report cards just like the sudents  
Author: Pond    Time: 2013-11-18 04:37:52

youknowhat Post time: 2013-11-17 22:23
some skool the teachers do get their report cards just like the sudents

I was beaten by teachers because I was from a poof family. I was a good polite student, alas that was not enough
Author: foreignchinese    Time: 2013-11-19 13:54:33

I remembered those school days. The headmaster (an Indian guy) would personally distribute report books of pupils. He hand out our report book accompanied by his magic weapon, a cane. For each subject that we fail, we get a stroke of his stinging cane. This punishment was done in full public view. Of course we feared him as a tyrant and hated him then.
Now 30 years' later, things have changed. We organize dinner & events to honor this headmaster & class teachers and even start off charity funds. His old pupils hug him and thanked him for his strict discipline that guide us through our tender years. It was through his strict guidance that the school has produced pupils who triumphs to become doctors, architects, engineers, accountants and lawyers.
Author: cdi001    Time: 2013-11-19 15:34:45

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Author: Smaug    Time: 2013-11-22 21:25:47

By the way, did anyone else notice this interesting place to truncate the message title from the BBS homepage?
PunishStud.GIF


I thought it was going to be an article about some handsome young guy being punished for having sex with many female students. ;)




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Author: Ericgu    Time: 2013-11-24 19:01:17

School should take good measures to improve the students' study level, well teaching instead of punishing
Author: TedM    Time: 2013-11-27 20:13:43

seneca Post time: 2011-11-18 15:31
I think the title of this thread is somewhat confusing and misleading.

Students that do not adjust  ...

In England a class teacher will comment on behaviour in the "Class teacher's summary" in reports, usually twice a year. I agree with your comments on low achievers. Students with learning problems need support and encouragement, not punishment which makes matters worse. Reasonable punishment that does not affect the health and safety of the child may only be necessary for disruptive behaviour or rudeness, not for low marks.
Author: Gargamel    Time: 2013-11-29 10:55:45

No punishes!!!
Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2013-12-7 00:32:35

Students are customers......


Not slaves of teachers.



Can't they get this basic fact right?







Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2013-12-7 00:34:20

If students not interested in what teachers have to sell

It is the right of customers not to buy



Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2013-12-7 00:41:32

Mao got it right when he says..........



Respect the students.............



..........






Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2013-12-7 01:17:51

Teachers are there to serve the students





Why do they think students are there to serve teachers?







Author: Ronny    Time: 2013-12-7 05:06:37

Even though I voted "no", I do believe in punishment, but, the problem is what kind is acceptable and also effective. Cruel punishment is not acceptable, teachers are individuals and each thinks differently, so they should not be able to punish students, also some are down right cruel. Disruptive students do need to be sent out of the class, but not into the cold weather. Maybe they should be sent to a disciplinary office and if in an exam they can do it there. Ridicule should never be allowed to be used by teachers ( again some can over do it), students get enough of that from peers. Punishment needs to be well thought out. Grades are grades, and punishment is punishment, the two should never meet.
Author: yasawakic    Time: 2013-12-7 09:10:23

Those so called teacher and schools just hide their incompetence by punishing children. Shameful non professional attitude directly came from dinosaurus era.
Author: yasawakic    Time: 2013-12-7 09:11:59

Revolutionar Post time: 2013-12-7 00:41
Mao got it right when he says..........

the problem with Mao is that he used to say: "do what I say, dont do what I do". Everybody know how he used to "respect" young virgin students.
Author: ShowsBoy    Time: 2013-12-7 15:57:27

I recall the scene when I was a student. But these phenomeno is too strict for such sdudents. The teachers should have reflection for their action.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-22 16:09:14

How is this thread still at the top of the most commented list when there have been no comment since the 7th December?
Author: 1584austin    Time: 2013-12-22 17:48:38

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-22 16:09
How is this thread still at the top of the most commented list when there have been no comment since ...

That's true how in the 'Q&A star' box is CUE on there he was banned over a year ago
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-22 19:10:52

1584austin Post time: 2013-12-22 17:48
That's true how in the 'Q&A star' box is CUE on there he was banned over a year ago

Someone needs to do some housekeeping!
Author: 1584austin    Time: 2013-12-22 19:18:00

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-22 19:10
Someone needs to do some housekeeping!

yes

Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-23 13:10:41

1584austin Post time: 2013-12-22 19:18
yes

25 RMB per hour gets a cleaner in Shanghai, shall we all chip in?
Author: 1584austin    Time: 2013-12-23 15:00:26

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-23 13:10
25 RMB per hour gets a cleaner in Shanghai, shall we all chip in?

My Father pays £10 or 100 rmb per hour, perhaps I move him to Shanghai
Author: shengshi    Time: 2013-12-23 16:25:37

Bad grade students may not all are lazy. Some may have difficulty learning or family problems. Better to find out the reasons why they have bad grades before punishing them.
Author: F111    Time: 2013-12-23 16:37:39

Should teachers be punished for students bad grades?
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-23 19:59:06

1584austin Post time: 2013-12-23 15:00
My Father pays £10 or 100 rmb per hour, perhaps I move him to Shanghai

I am sure we can find him a good daily. For 3000 RMB per month you can get someone who comes in 6 days a week to do the cooking, shopping and cleaning, working 8 hours a day.
Author: 1584austin    Time: 2013-12-23 20:09:48

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-23 19:59
I am sure we can find him a good daily. For 3000 RMB per month you can get someone who comes in 6  ...

If they offer extra's I move there too
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-23 20:27:36

1584austin Post time: 2013-12-23 20:09
If they offer extra's I move there too

Yes, the extras are washing and ironing, is that enough?
Author: 1584austin    Time: 2013-12-23 20:36:23

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-23 20:27
Yes, the extras are washing and ironing, is that enough?



It is these days
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-24 06:22:51

1584austin Post time: 2013-12-23 20:36
It is these days

I know that feeling well
Author: Incedius420    Time: 2013-12-27 15:21:58

fatdragon Post time: 2013-11-16 19:22
Schools had a legal responsibility towards providing a suitable academic environment when I went to  ...

Its not the schools or teachers fault for 5000 students being sent to a school that can handle 2000.
Author: Incedius420    Time: 2013-12-27 15:25:23

symondsez Post time: 2013-11-6 22:32
looking at the pic , I am not sure how sitting inside the classroom will protect them from cold.

co ...

Most of the people on these boards have never been to china,  they dont realize that public buildings in the south dont have heat anywhere in them.   My guess is its warmer outside the classrooms then inside.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2013-12-27 15:28:52

Incedius420 Post time: 2013-12-27 15:25
Most of the people on these boards have never been to china,  they dont realize that public buildi ...

As the same kids are not likely to have heating at home why is heating at school so necessary?  
Author: fatdragon    Time: 2013-12-28 10:27:17

Incedius420 Post time: 2013-12-27 15:21
Its not the schools or teachers fault for 5000 students being sent to a school that can handle 200 ...

I guess that depends on what the law is. In the UK there are design capacities for state schools and there would be no financial advantage in exceeding that capacity so applications to join a particular school would be rejected once the capacity was reached. The schools also have school inspectors who visit to ensure that government guidelines are adhered to.
Author: fatdragon    Time: 2013-12-28 10:29:00

Incedius420 Post time: 2013-12-27 15:25
Most of the people on these boards have never been to china,  they dont realize that public buildi ...

During the summer maybe but not during the winter.
Author: 李晓琴    Time: 2013-12-29 12:03:22

what the school did is against the teachers'code of morality.it is absolutely wrong !!!
Author: 1584austin    Time: 2014-1-2 05:06:44

futsanglung Post time: 2013-12-27 15:28
As the same kids are not likely to have heating at home why is heating at school so necessary?

That's true
Author: 1584austin    Time: 2014-1-2 05:07:36

李晓琴 Post time: 2013-12-29 12:03
what the school did is against the teachers'code of morality.it is absolutely wrong !!!


Author: AngleCandidate    Time: 2014-1-2 19:57:36

And the school's space for exams is another reason for those sitting outside~~
Author: allnightlong    Time: 2014-1-3 00:21:05

I VOTE NO
Author: silence2002    Time: 2014-1-7 07:22:31

yes,mabe the school teacher should not punish their student in some unacceptabe ways .
but i think it's difficult question to answer.
so many diligent students need a good study environment of studying which can only change their fate .
Author: raynedon    Time: 2014-1-11 10:37:38

If we punish students with bad grade it just confirms we are not acknowledging the fact that every individual is different, that a child poor in academics can be good elsewhere. We just kill a personality in developing age.
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-1-26 19:13:47

1584austin Post time: 2014-1-2 05:07

Why is this still at the top of the most commented list??????

Author: oldmanlee    Time: 2014-2-11 16:32:32

This post was edited by oldmanlee at 2014-2-11 16:34

It depends.  If a student is too bad in his behavior or character, he should be punished in a proper and open way.  Just like Singapore.But if it is only because they don't study well enough, they should  not be punished like this. This is obvious.

Author: MichaelM    Time: 2014-2-26 15:28:33

Punishing students to encourage or force them to learn, is highly ineffective. A teacher told me recently that she could 'force' her students to learn by giving them so much homework that they will be miserable. This is her idea of 'forcing' a student to learn. Not very clever (intelligent). Anyone who has such ideas is very far out of touch with the effectiveness of means and methods of teaching.

The greater challenge facing teachers today is to take responsibility for the outcome of students' learning and progress. Teachers who punish children to attempt to make them learn, put all responsibility on the student and accept no responsibility themselves. They use the path that is easiest for them, not what is best for the student.

Praise works far better than punishment. Those who argue against using praise to motivate students to achieve higher are themselves unknowledgeable about it because, frankly, they've never tried it. They will argue against it with what they 'believe' and not what they 'know.' A practice used by many teachers (and people for that matter) that isn't very intelligent.

I humbly suggest that you read my blogs about this topic.
Author: Ted180    Time: 2014-2-27 00:15:55

MichaelM Post time: 2014-2-26 02:28
Punishing students to encourage or force them to learn, is highly ineffective. A teacher told me rec ...

Michael really knows education!
Author: Ted180    Time: 2014-2-27 00:16:13

MichaelM Post time: 2014-2-26 02:28
Punishing students to encourage or force them to learn, is highly ineffective. A teacher told me rec ...

Michael really knows education!
Author: MichaelM    Time: 2014-2-27 05:12:41

Ted180 Post time: 2014-2-27 00:16
Michael really knows education!

Thank you!
Author: helius666    Time: 2014-2-28 03:51:52

hello
Author: MiaoY    Time: 2014-3-3 05:34:09

should schools be allowed to punish students?

i read this, i think  YES.

for bad grades , they be punished?

NO.  what is punishable is behavior, not result. if they misbehaves, they should be punished, they behave, no punishment whatever happens.
Author: ColinSpeakman    Time: 2014-3-7 14:41:01

Aren't poor grades if they continue punishment in themselves? What worse punishment than failure at school?
Author: MicroTaylor    Time: 2014-3-9 19:00:40

Knowledge can change children's fate. But the TEACHER change children's psyche. Failure education for present situation .
Author: wanzai    Time: 2014-3-15 05:35:50

lotusfly7 Post time: 2011-11-18 14:08
The incident you cite I do not agree with placing the children out in the cold or other cases punish ...

separating the children who creat a disruptive class environment from the other children who want to learn is appropriate!  i don't agree with you ,  it makes  "excellent" student who are good at academics  snobbish , make them ignore most precious thing such as friendship , offering happiness, naivety .  those who create a disruptive class environment also have merit that is worthy to learn, such as they are more humorous, they are more modest, they are more active when making friends , activeness is a very important thing.
Author: yasawakic    Time: 2014-3-15 06:27:42

when adult beat children for a reason, the children just learn that violence is the way to solve problem.

Author: greendragon    Time: 2014-3-24 23:49:23


Author: greendragon    Time: 2014-3-24 23:49:59

rubbish thread, impractical
Author: PatrickInBeijin    Time: 2014-3-30 11:47:06

Children who are disruptive should be sent out of the classroom.  But, punishment won't help children learn.  Psychology studies show that positive reinforcement is stronger than negative reinforcement.  That should be the first resort.  I only send children out when they are extremely disruptive (won't stop fighting for instance), and it is only for the period.  Then they come back, and we try again.  A little boy was always disruptive in my class.  I finally said to him that I understood he loved me and was naughty because he wanted attention.  He said yes.  
We need to be careful that we are not teaching children to be naughty by giving attention only when they are naughty.
Author: 恰同学少年    Time: 2014-3-31 21:45:07

nl20051405 Post time: 2011-11-18 16:13
A good school may influence a student's whole life, especially for those eager to get advanced educa ...

I come from country ,reading is the only way for us to get out of the poor villege.Teachers all want us to study hard and they often punish those who don't study hard.I used to study badly, but after punished by my teacher stutied hard and get into college.I thanks my teacher very much.
Author: Johnson2010    Time: 2014-3-31 23:37:54

NO,
Author: kodayuu    Time: 2014-4-27 00:58:31

NEVER
School is where students get educated but not punished


Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2014-4-27 11:22:57

seneca Post time: 2014-4-27 11:07
You seem to be new to China and obviously have received a faddish education. This new-fangled ap ...

You have over simplified a very complex issue.

Neither China nor Western schools has reached the optimum performance.

It is not one or the other

Positive psychology is not just positive thinking, not just without criticism , not just grounded outside reality.

But tell you what........the science of education will only get better....not getting worse.




Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-4-27 11:32:53

kodayuu Post time: 2014-4-27 00:58
NEVER
School is where students get educated but not punished

So how to deal with disruptive kids?
Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2014-4-27 11:58:25

seneca Post time: 2014-4-27 11:46
Maybe you are right. But what I am seeing in China is that pernicious ways are seeping into the  ...

You worry so much for what?


Let there be variety.....
Let there be fun and creativity....
Let there be rebellion


I think , there will be more than enough Confucian discipline in China.




Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2014-4-27 12:06:45

futsanglung Post time: 2014-4-27 11:32
So how to deal with disruptive kids?

More power to students is probably a good thing



Listening more to the disruptive kids is also probably a good thing.




Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2014-4-27 12:35:19

futsanglung Post time: 2014-4-27 11:32
So how to deal with disruptive kids?

Gen Y will have to solve the problems left behind by the Baby Boomers.


How are they to solve the problems if they are expected to be good good boys sitting in their desks?



Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2014-4-27 12:57:18

seneca Post time: 2014-4-27 11:46
Maybe you are right. But what I am seeing in China is that pernicious ways are seeping into the  ...
  1. More and more teachers quit their jobs because they meet with class-wide hostility in their school.
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If the old don't leave........where got new?




Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2014-4-27 14:16:36

Martin Seligman has said: "As a professor, I don't like this, but the cerebral virtues — curiosity, love of learning — are less strongly tied to happiness than interpersonal virtues like kindness, gratitude and capacity for love."[28]



Kindness, gratitude and capacity for love.........


Can those. China schools do that?
Can those China schools promote that?


Author: Revolutionar    Time: 2014-4-27 14:38:20

futsanglung Post time: 2014-4-27 11:32
So how to deal with disruptive kids?

Without disruptive kids, there will be no disruptive technologies

No improvements.




Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-4-27 14:47:30

Revolutionar Post time: 2014-4-27 12:06
More power to students is probably a good thing

Strikes me you have never stood at the front of a classroom.

One disruptive kid ruins it for all the others in the class
Author: tedbrent    Time: 2014-4-27 14:49:16

Revolutionar Post time: 2014-4-27 14:38
Without disruptive kids, there will be no disruptive technologies

No improvements.

  The State Administration of Press, Publication, Radio, Film and Television has announced that some   American sitcoms will be banned in China; one of the victims is The Big Bang Theory. Adding insult to injury, Chinese websites that offer Chinee TV viewers a chance to watch live foreign TV channels have been told to shape up or ship out.

  As a result, a fistful of Chinese English learners keen on watching American and British TV productions on video-sharing website are asking the same question: now what?
Author: tedbrent    Time: 2014-4-27 14:50:01

  Qing again?
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-4-27 14:51:09

Revolutionar Post time: 2014-4-27 12:35
Gen Y will have to solve the problems left behind by the Baby Boomers.

Again you show your lack of knowledge when it comes to education
Author: tedbrent    Time: 2014-4-27 14:52:59

  It's so strange that China is not going to ban dramas produced by South Korean TV networks. Why American sitcoms? Why?  
Author: futsanglung    Time: 2014-4-27 14:55:42

Revolutionar Post time: 2014-4-27 14:38
Without disruptive kids, there will be no disruptive technologies

No improvements.

The third time I say, you seem to know little about education




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