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Rise and Fall of civilizations! Farming Practises! [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2010-12-29 12:44:37 |Display all floors

Reply #4 lebeast's post

Did Mr. Glauber got his idea from old "Frank", "Gothic" creation of the "LE CESSPOOL".....but still practice medieval methods of crop field fallowing......

or could it Jesuit Priest accounts of Old China trade in "night soil"?
By 1600's, the Dutch sailors had reached shore of China, Macao, and even conquered Formosa!

Intensive Farming has taken hold in China....
With massive village aeration ponds for sewage processing, night soil trading (from human and porkers), crop rotation, and biomass mulching!

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Post time 2010-12-30 12:27:07 |Display all floors

Reply #7 greendragon's post

Do remember, that India has problem with "assessing" certain categories of Fertilizers - even with the present conditions!

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Post time 2010-12-30 12:49:33 |Display all floors

Reply #11 seneca's post

The original people has been replaced........ancient greatness, continuity gone!

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Post time 2010-12-30 13:43:21 |Display all floors

Let's look at how "Modern World" look similar

.........to "Ancient China" civilization!

Let's start with agricultural practises!
While we can still see "stone age agricultural practises" persist in the globe, China was way ahead in the ancient times!

Let's look at the stages of man in agriculture!
(1) Slash and Burn method - presently we see this in the non volcanic islands of South East Asia, and in Africa!
The reason for this is the lack of fertility after 3 years of continuous cropping!

(2) People living in "Volcanic activity" sites - and "Annual Flood" river Valley prosper, as continuous cropping was possible due to renewal of top soil by the Volcanic activity or Top soil deposits by River Water carrying up river erosions!

This is how many ancient civilization grew, with settlements!
Ancient Civilization such as the NILE, EUPHRATES, JAVA, MAYAN, AZTEC, NIGER, INDUS, BRAHMA, GANGES, ROME, GREECE and of course the most famous, CHINA!

(3) Certain great civilization grew either by WARS, like the Roman Empire, while other grew from CULTURAL, TECHNOLOGICAL DEVELOPMENTS.
This is where the GIANTS OF CIVILIZATION are differentiated from other upstarts!

Irrigation system was developed in many ancient civilization.
This require organization skills of a state!

(4) Further, certain state managed to develop "Crop Rotation" to protect it's annual crop output!
(5) China probably managed to "innovate the most advanced system", with use of "fertilizers" - night soil from it's humansettlement - basically sendiments from the sewage aeration ponds! (many still can be seen in rural China!)

The Europeans - basically post 1700's, after their adventurers came back with stories of wondrous foreign civilization, managed to create synthetic fertilizers, develop Soil Chemistry and today's Genetics!

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Post time 2010-12-31 11:49:26 |Display all floors

Reply #14 seneca's post

it's alchemy + European adventurers + Jesuit spies........British Naturalist!

For example Guano - comes from such adventures!
IF the European adventurers did not see the way farming was practised in China, they would not have innovated the new methods! European then, were still "near vegetarians" with rotational cropping of potatoes, wheat, hops - and land left to fallow!

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Post time 2011-1-3 12:57:54 |Display all floors

The great River Rhine

............and the smaller River Seine were the valley belonging to the "Uncivilized Germans", and "Less civilized Franks"!

Matter of fact, Mr. Seneca, it was the HILL-COASTAL tribes that defined Europe!
Only after the "civilizing effects" of the Catholic Church - did Germanic, Frank tribe organized into workable a organization! It was pretty late - and the "Barbarians of Europe" - at least when viewed by the civilized Romans, Greeks - with their Catholic-Orthodox religion!

Up to 1800's, Germany was a series of principalities "in constant war".....

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Post time 2011-1-3 15:46:05 |Display all floors
Originally posted by seneca at 2011-1-3 15:56
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