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Strange isn't it - 1830-1860 opium problem... [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2009-2-19 13:57:24 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-2-15 07:09 PM
....and invested that in China's real estate, there wouldn't be an OPIUM WAR.


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Hong Kong and The Sassoon Opium Wars

The 99 year British lease on Hong Kong expired in July allowing the Red Chinese to take over. Hundreds of newspaper stories and TV reports have covered this event but not one revealed how England first gained control of Hong Kong! The truth lies buried in the family line of David Sassoon, "The Rothschilds of The Far East," and their monopoly over the opium trade. Britain won Hong Kong by launching the opium Wars to give the Sassoons exclusive rights to drug an entire nation!

David Sassoon was born in Baghdad, Iran in 1792. His father, Saleh Sassoon, was a wealthy banker and the treasurer to Ahmet Pasha, the governor of Baghdad. (Thus making him the "court Jew" - a highly influential position.) In 1829 Ahmet was overthrown due to corruption and the Sassoon family fled to Bombay, India. This was the strategic trade route to interior India and the gateway to the Far East. In a brief time the British government granted Sassoon "monopoly rights" to all manufacture of cotton goods, silk and most important of all - Opium - then the most addictive drug in the world!

The Jewish Encyclopedia of 1905, states that Sassoon expanded his opium trade into China and Japan. He placed his eight sons in charge of the various major opium exchanges in China. According to the 1944 Jewish Encyclopedia: "He employed only Jews in his business, and wherever he sent them he built synagogues and schools for them. He imported whole families of fellow Jews. . . and put them to work."

Sassoon's sons were busy pushing this mind-destroying drug in Canton, China. Between 1830 - 1831 they trafficked 18,956 chests of opium earning millions of dollars. Part of the profits went to Queen Victoria and the British government. In the year 1836 the trade increased to over 30,000 chests and drug addiction in coastal cities became endemic.

In 1839, the Manchu Emperor ordered that it be stopped. He named the Commissioner of Canton, Lin Tse-hsu, to lead a campaign against opium. Lin seized 2,000 chests of Sassoon opium and threw it into the river. An outraged David Sassoon demanded that Great Britain retaliate. Thus, the Opium Wars began with the British Army fighting as mercenaries of the Sassoons. They attacked cities and blockaded ports. The Chinese Army, decimated by 10 years of rampant opium addiction, proved no match for the British Army.

The war ended in 1839 with the signing of "The Treaty of Nanking." This included provisions especially designed to guarantee the Sassoons the right to enslave an entire population with opium. The "peace treaty" included these provisions: "1) Full legalization of the opium trade in China, 2) compensation from the opium stockpiles confiscated by Lin of 2 million pounds, 3) territorial sovereignty for the British Crown over several designated offshore islands.

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Post time 2009-2-19 14:00:03 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-2-15 07:35 PM
....destroy enough of the debts, we can expect Amerikan Regime to mint but it should control it's defisit level,

taking advantage of the deflationary trend now.
ie. that's why it's pushing for ...

Sassoon's Use British Army to Drug An Entire Nation

British Prime Minister Palmerston wrote Crown Commissiner Captain Charles Elliot that the treaty didn't go far enough. He said it should have been rejected out of hand because: "After all, our naval power is so strong that we can tell the Emperor what we mean to hold rather than what he would cede. We must demand the admission of opium into interior China as an article of lawful commerce and increase the indemnity payments and British access to several additional Chinese ports." Thus, China not only had to pay Sassoon the cost of his dumped opium but reimburse England an unheard sum of 21 million pounds for the cost of the war!

This gave the Sassoon's monopoly rights to distribute opium in port cities. However, even this was not good enough and Sassoon demanded the right to sell opium throughout the nation. The Manchus resisted and the British Army again attacked in the "Second Opium War fought 1858 - 1860. Palmerston declared that all of interior China must be open for uninterrupted opium traffic. The British suffered a defeat at the Taku Forts in June 1859 when sailors, ordered to seize the forts, were run aground in the mud-choked harbor. Several hundred were killed or captured. An enraged Palmerston said: "We shall teach such a lesson to these perfidious hordes that the name of Europe will hereeafter be a passport of fear."

In October, the British besieged Peking. When the city fell, British commander Lord Elgin, ordered the temples and other sacred shrines in the city sacked and burned to the ground as a show of Britain's absolute comtempt for the Chinese. In the new "Peace Treaty" of Oct.25, 1860, the British were assigned rights to vastly expanded opium trade covering seven-eights of China, which brought in over 20 million pounds in 1864 alone. In that year, the Sassoons imported 58,681 chests of opium and by 1880 it had skyrocketed to 105,508 chests making the Sassoons the richest Jews in the world.

England was given the Hong Kong peninsula as a colony and large sections of Amoy, Canton, Foochow, Ningpo and Shanghai. The Sassoons were now licensing opium dens in each British occupied area with large fees being collected by their Jewish agents. Sassoon would not allow any other race to engage in "the Jews' business."

However, the British government would not allow any opium to be imported into Europe!

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Post time 2009-2-19 14:04:49 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-2-16 07:43 PM
Japan's debt moutain is HUGE......

ALMOST 250% to GNP......
too much debt....

Japan needs BIGGER HOMES, so it can increase it per capita gnp,
paring down the debt of the state by more cons ...

as far japan went in those old days, china could have done the same as meiji of japan and made china 100 times more powerful than japan and dominated the world today.

instead china was wise enough to reject barbarism and didn't even participate in the free-for-all, winners take all mass slaughter we called wwii.

郑和下西 其实是去東        Zheng He’s westward journey is actually also an
                           EASTWARD JOURNEY.
还好有人 把他给挡阻        Fortunately someone stopped him(by burning
                           all his maps, records and expansion plans),
让中国 回避了两世战        allowing CHINA to avoid the two World Wars
                           (by not participating in the free-for-all slaughter and
也帮世人  把一点人性留     also helping the world to salvage a little that was
left of humanity (by resisting becoming another
military power as everyone else’s doing)

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Post time 2009-2-19 14:06:59 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2009-2-18 09:20 PM Treasury's US$8 trilion issue (about US$3 trillion held by  foreigners), Mortgage bond market. (Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae has US$6 trillion worth, US$3 trillion held by foreigners), with the ...

america's crime in china was performed by chiang/sun's proxy democratic government.  here is some relation to opium and the roosvelts:

Sassoon "Monopoly Rights" Wrecked Lancashire - England's Textile Industry - Made Roosevelt Wealthy
Sir Albert Sassoon, the eldest of David Sassoon's sons took over the family "business" empire. He constructed huge textile mills in Bombay to pay slave labor wages. This expansion continued after World War One and ended up putting mills in Lancashire, England out of business with thousands losing their jobs. This did not stop Queen Victoria from having Albert knighted in 1872.

Solomon Sassoon moved to Hong Kong and ran the family business there until his death in 1894. Later, the entire family moved to England because with modern communications they could operate their financial empire from their luxurious estates in London. They socialized with royalty and Edward Albert. Sassoon married Aline Caroline de Rothschild in 1887 which linked their fortune with that of the Rothschilds. The Queen also had Edward knighted. All 14 of the grandsons of David Sassoon were made officers during World War One and thus most were able to avoid combat.

Franklin D. Roosevelt's fortune was inherited from his maternal grandfather Warren Delano. In 1830 he was a senior partner of Russell & Company. It was their merchant fleet which carried Sassoon's opium to China and returned with tea. Warren Delano moved to Newburgh, N.Y. In 1851 his daughter Sara Married a well-born neighbor, James Roosevelt - the father of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He always knew the origin of the family fortune but refused to discuss it.

In 1823 a 24yearold Yankee, Warren Delano, sailed to Canton, where he did so well that within seven years he was a senior partner in Russell & Company. Delano's problem, as with all traders, European and American, was that China had much to sell but declined to buy. The Manchu emperors believed that the Middle Kingdom already possessed everything worth having, and hence needed no barbarian manufactures.

The British struck upon an ingenious way to reduce a huge trade deficit. Their merchants bribed Chinese officials to allow entry of chests of opium from Britishruled India, though its importation had long been banned by imperial decree. Imports soared, and nearly every American company followed suit, acquiring "black dirt" in Turkey or as agents for Indian producers.

Writing home, Delano said he could not pretend to justify the opium trade on moral grounds, "but as a merchant I insist it has been . . . fair, honorable and legitimate," and no more objectionable than the importation of wines and spirits to the U.S.

Yet as addiction became epidemic, and as the Chinese began paying with precious silver for the drug, their Emperor finally in 1839 named an Imperial Commissioner to end the trade.

Commissioner Lin Tsehsu proceeded to Canton, seized vast stocks of opium and dumped the chests in the sea. This, plus a melee in which drunken sailors killed a Chinese villager, furnished the spark for the Opium War, initiated by Lord Palmerston, the British Prime Minister, and waged with determination to obtain full compensation for the opium. The Celestial Empire was humbled, forced to open five ports to foreign traders and to permit a British colony at Hong Kong.

But as noteworthy, the war was denounced in Parliament as "unjust and iniquitous" by 30yearold William Ewart Gladstone, who accused Palmerston of hoisting the British flag "to protect an infamous contraband traffic." The same outrage was expressed in the pulpit and the press, in America and England, thereby encouraging Russell & Company and most other American businesses to pull out of the opium trade.

Warren Delano returned to America rich, and in 1851 settled in Newburgh, N.Y. There he eventually gave his daughter Sara in marriage to a wellborn neighbor, James Roosevelt, the father of Franklin Roosevelt. The old China trader was closemouthed about opium, as were his partners in Russell & Company. It is not clear how much F.D.R. knew about this source of his grandfather's wealth. But the President's recent biographer Geoffrey Ward rejects efforts by the Delano family to minimize Warren's involvement.

The family's discomfort is understandable. We no longer believe that anything goes in the global marketplace, regardless of social consequences. It is precisely this conviction that underlies efforts to attach human rights conditions to trading relations to temper the amorality of the market a point that, alas, seems to elude the Socialist soontobe masters of Hong Kong.

Incidentally, the opium trade was not confined to the British. The leading American opium firm was Russell & Co. Its taipan was an old sea captain named Warren Delano. He was at one time the American vice-consul in Canton (Guangzhou) and was a staunch Republican. His political philosophy is best summed up by his somewhat bigoted statement, "I will not say that all Democrats are horse thieves, but it does seem that all horse thieves are Democrats." He was rather upset when his daughter married a Democrat, James Roosevelt. Her son, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, became the 32nd U.S. president. He was also a Democrat.

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Post time 2009-2-19 14:52:51 |Display all floors

Reply #34 joeching's post

EXACTLY, it's easy to get rid of OPIUM.

it's a matter of ADMINISTRATIVE control.
we could stop legal planting in Sichuan and Yunnan (replace it with tobacco, exactly what the communist did, now Yunnan biggest revenue is tobacco)
we could stop the MERCHANTs in Guangzhou, as the MANCHU were SMART to only use 1 SINGLE PORT, in order to be able to judge how much MONETARY GOLD and SILVER were leaving China. (with paper money, CHINA had only probably 1/12 of the entire economy, so that defisit trade was harmful as it cause contraction of the economy via lack of credit)

and the ECONOMIC bureacrats were thinking of the JOB CREATING potential of OPIUM at that time, a 100 million tael industry Vs IMPORT of only 100,000 cases of Opium, worth 90 milion silver dollars, or should only be 4.5 milion taels of gold......NOTHING actually ina 3 billion tael economy in 1850! very small.....

POST 1949, Uncle MAO had mesmerized the Chinese citizens with a lot of campaigns,
keep people happy via programmes of propaganda, GREAT LEAP FORWARD, CULTURAL REVOLUTION, lot of army, peasant matches, mao suits for PACIFICATION EXCERCISE.....Besides, everybody was equally poor in communism, nobody complaint.

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Post time 2009-2-19 15:03:16 |Display all floors

Reply #34 joeching's post

opium addiction should be easy to control.
the ccp proved it.
but it must be the economic situation then...


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Post time 2009-2-19 15:10:30 |Display all floors

Reply #38 joeching's post

nope, Britain imported 300 cases of OPIUM to Europe for medicinal 1850

China imported some 10,000 cases, not so dangerous except China also had paper money like Europe had developed by 1750's.


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