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Post time 2017-11-22 00:12:23 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Ted180 at 2017-11-21 11:15

I agree that human production of CO2 is a major cause of global warming. I also agree that global warming can cause serious problems. But I'm concerned that attempts to stop global warming could cause increased poverty, social unrest and (thus) war. A nuclear and biological war would cause much greater destruction that global warming. Our basic goals should be (in order) 1. Peace. 2. Justice. 3. Population reduction. 4. Stop global warming. Sometimes I think that global warming (like animal rights) is a "trendy concern" used to deflect people from the greater priorities.
My problem is simple: I just know better than everyone-else!

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Post time 2017-11-23 19:07:55 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2017-11-22 00:12
I agree that human production of CO2 is a major cause of global warming. I also agree that global wa ...

re:   Population reduction.

This is out of questions, we all heard them howl when China said one is enough...

Perhaps more wars will do the trick, together with more fast food outlets...
Good for insurance companies and always can blame the Country doing the warring...
At the same time the weapon manufacturers make a killing and employ lots of people...

A win win situation for the Yanks...  

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Post time 2017-11-24 05:16:01 |Display all floors
emanreus Post time: 2017-11-23 19:07
re:   Population reduction.

This is out of questions, we all heard them howl when China said one ...



Hat off to the world's No. Two which only goes to war against tiny landlocked nations such as Bhutan and stops in its track when a big country such as India stands up for the protection of the Bhutanese. How much CO2 has not been released into the air thanks to the Chinese who wisely refrained from pulling their war to its brutal end? Meanwhile the world's No. One has deployed an armada of war ships off the Korean peninsula awaiting orders to liberate the benighted North where recently a solder defected to the South and was shot at. He then was taken to a hospital and the doctors found tonnes of squiring worms in his intestines one of which was 26 centimeters long.  

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Post time 2017-11-24 14:23:43 |Display all floors
Hmm; uou say:  Tonnes  of squiring worms in his intestines one of which was 26 centimeters long.
One guy, with tonnes of  squiring worms in his intestines ...
your BLA BLA ol'chap is laughable.
There are times I wonder if you ever  went to Any school...
Any sense at All??  

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Post time 2017-11-24 22:35:01 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2017-11-21 11:12
I agree that human production of CO2 is a major cause of global warming. I also agree that global wa ...

Well this could be helpful or harmful...

Harvard Scientists Moving Ahead on Plans for Atmospheric Geoengineering Experiments

The climate researchers intend to launch a high-altitude balloon that would spray a small quantity of reflective particles into the stratosphere.

by James Temple  March 24, 2017
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Post time 2017-11-24 22:35:34 |Display all floors
A pair of Harvard climate scientists are preparing small-scale atmospheric experiments that could offer insights into the feasibility and risks of deliberately altering the climate to ease global warming.

They would be among the earliest official geoengineering-related experiments conducted outside of a controlled laboratory or computer model, underscoring the growing sense of urgency among scientists to begin seriously studying the possibility as the threat of climate change mounts.

Sometime next year, Harvard professors David Keith and Frank Keutsch hope to launch a high-altitude balloon, tethered to a gondola equipped with propellers and sensors, from a site in Tucson, Arizona. After initial engineering tests, the “StratoCruiser” would spray a fine mist of materials such as sulfur dioxide, alumina, or calcium carbonate into the stratosphere. The sensors would then measure the reflectivity of the particles, the degree to which they disperse or coalesce, and the way they interact with other compounds in the atmosphere.

The researchers first proposed these balloon experiments in a 2014 paper. But at a geoengineering conference in Washington, D.C., on Friday, Keith said they have begun engineering design work with Arizona test balloon company World View Enterprises. They’ve also started discussions about the appropriate governance structure for such an experiment, and they plan to set up an independent body to review their proposals.

“We would like to have the first flights next year,” he said at the Forum on U.S. Solar Geoengineering Research, held at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

In an earlier interview with MIT Technology Review, Keith stressed that the experiments would not be a binary test of geoengineering itself. But they should provide useful information about the proposed method that he has closely studied, known as solar radiation management.

The basic idea is that spraying certain types of particles into the stratosphere could help reflect more heat back into space. Scientists believe it could work because nature already does it. Large volcanic eruptions in the past have blasted tens of millions of tons of sulfur dioxide into the sky, which contributed to lower global temperatures in subsequent months.

What’s less clear is how precisely the technique could control worldwide temperatures, what materials would work best, and what the environmental side effects might be. Notably, previous volcanic eruptions have also decreased precipitation levels in parts of the world, and sulfur dioxide is known to deplete the protective ozone layer.

Keith has previously used computer modeling to explore the possibility of using other materials that may have a neutral impact on ozone, including diamond dust and alumina. Late last year, he, Keutsch, and others published a paper that found using calcite, a mineral made up of calcium carbonate, “may cool the planet while simultaneously repairing the ozone layer.”

The balloon tests could provide additional insight into how these chemicals actually interact with precursors to ozone in the real world and offer additional information that could help refine their understanding of solar geoengineering, he says: “You have to go measure things in the real world because nature surprises you.”
Keith stresses that it’s too early to say whether any geoengineering technologies should ever be deployed. But he has argued for years that research should move ahead to better understand their capabilities and dangers, because it’s possible they could significantly reduce the risks of climate change. He stressed that the experiments would have negligible environment impacts, as they will involve no more than a kilogram of materials.

Funding for the initial experiments would come from grants that Harvard provided Keith and Keutsch as new professors. Additional funds may come from Harvard’s Solar Geoengineering Research Program, a multidisciplinary effort launching this spring to study feasibility, risks, ethics, and governance issues surrounding geoengineering. As of press time, it had raised more than $7 million from Microsoft cofounder Bill Gates, the Hewlett Foundation, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, Harvard-internal funds, and other philanthropists.

Geoengineering critics argue that the climate system is too complex to meddle with, that the environmental risks are too high, or that even talking about technological “fixes” could ease pressure to cut greenhouse gas emissions.

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Only two known experiments have been carried out in the open air to date that could be considered geoengineering-related: University of California, San Diego, researchers sprayed smoke and salt particles off the coast of California as part of the E-PEACE experiment in 2011, and scientists in Russia dispersed aerosols from a helicopter and car in 2009. The so called SPICE experiment in the United Kingdom was quickly scuttled in 2012, following public criticism and conflict of interest accusations after several of the scientists applied for a related patent.

In an earlier interview, Jane Long, a former associate director at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, stressed that researchers moving forward with geoengineering experiments need to go to great lengths to ensure proper public notification, opportunities for input, and appropriate oversight, particularly if they’re relying on private funds. But she said it’s time to begin seriously studying the technology’s potential given the growing dangers of climate change.

“We should have started a decade ago,” she said. “It’s critical to know as much as we can as soon as we can.”
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Post time 2017-11-24 22:49:35 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Saul at 2017-11-24 11:26
emanreus Post time: 2017-11-23 06:07
re:   Population reduction.

This is out of questions, we all heard them howl when China said one ...

weapon manufacturers make a killing and employ lots of people...

A win win situation for the Yanks...  
And the (hinks

Weapons Sales in China increased to 2123 USD Million in 2016 from 1764 USD Million in 2015. Weapons Sales in China averaged 836.06 USD Million from 1954 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 2606 USD Million in 1987 and a record low of 3 USD Million in 1954.
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