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Post time 2018-6-4 09:20:01 |Display all floors
This post was edited by tenith at 2018-6-4 11:38

That the US military will do its best to remain in East Asia is a forgone conclusion.

Rather than positioning US as an adversary, China can reposition US' image as just another foreign party in the West Pacific.

US will definitely play on the fear factor of East Asians and stirr up conflicts amongst East Asians even if such conflicts do not involve the Chinese. Its not beyond China to build up relations with East Asians even when border disputes remain unresolved. Definitely US will provoke the East Asians into battling China on whatever reasons US can raise.

A few things will put US off.

(1) China's economy is much more widespread and stronger than US';
(2) China's enterprises have significant presence in US contributing to their employment;
(3) Chinese and Americans share similarity in some aspects of human well being;
(4) Chinese are providing education for deprived Americans (of course China needs to provide its own first and that of its immediate neighbors who are more important than US to China especially the Indochinese not that other South East Asians should be left out);
(5) An East Asia initiative forging a peaceful community, here China must adapt to the local politics that's different from its own and there must be increased people to people exchanges as well as cross cultural mix amongst East Asians;
(6) China as one of the top global destinations for education.

Of course militarily China needs to match the US. not to invoke unnecessary war upon others but to fend off US which is a happy trigger gunslinger. As long as anyone can out slings US, US will respect. The other purpose is to provide regional stability.

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Post time 2018-6-5 03:00:10 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Ted180 at 2018-6-4 14:00

This idea of inevitable hostility between China and the US ignores the great benefits to both if peace is secured, trade increases and poverty is eliminated. These two powers, if they can forge an alliance for progress, have the joint power to guarantee stability. As a Canadian living quite peacefully and safely under the protection of the US (with only minor disagreements), I don't see the US as "trigger-happy". The temporary problem of Trump will be gone by 2020.
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Post time 2018-6-5 08:57:42 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2018-6-5 03:00
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Many Americans identify with Trump and his ways, he is also very popular with white women and the socalled "tradwives". He might be there after 2020.
Keep an eye on mid-term election, the result should be indicative.
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Post time 2018-6-5 20:55:30 |Display all floors
Why should China treat the US military presence in the South China Sea any differently
than the USA treated the Soviet military presence in the Gulf of Mexico during the
Cuban Missile Crisis?
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Post time 2018-6-6 04:27:18 |Display all floors
This post was edited by Ted180 at 2018-6-5 15:27
robert237 Post time: 2018-6-5 07:55
Why should China treat the US military presence in the South China Sea any differently
than the USA  ...

I believe that the USA should seek a general resolution of all its conflicts with China. This would include withdrawal of US forces from South Korea, end to military assistance to Taiwan (and encouragement of Taiwan to rejoin China (similar arrangement of "one county, two systems as in Hong Kong). The South China Sea is different from the Caribbean. It is not an internal sea. It extends far from China. It adjoins numerous non-Chinese countries. But, to convince China that the USA has no aggressive intentions toward China, the US should not send substantial forces into the South China Sea. US bases in Japan, Philippines and Australia are an adequate American presence to discourage Chinese imperialistic expansionism.
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Post time 2018-6-6 14:25:13 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2018-6-5 12:27
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The Gulf of Mexico does border many countries besides the USA.
Recently the USA flew B52 bombers over the South China Sea.
How would the USA react if China flew its biggest bombers over the Gulf of Mexico?
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Post time 2018-6-6 18:36:00 |Display all floors
Ted180 Post time: 2018-6-6 04:27
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Japan claims an EEZ over 400,000 square km (154,500 square miles) around Okinotorishima.
In 2016, Japan's arrest of a Taiwanese fishing ship's crew led Taiwan to protest against Japan's claim of island status for Okinotori and by extension the EEZ.
In order to prevent the island from submersion caused by erosion and maintain its claim to the EEZ, the Japanese government launched an embankment building project in 1987, and Higashikojima and Kitakojima were surrounded by concrete. Japan has encased the reefs with $280 million worth of concrete and covered the smaller one with a $50 million titanium net to shield it from debris thrown up by the ocean's waves. The Japanese government has spent over $600 million fortifying the reefs...
Under the terms of Japan’s unconditional surrender in 1945, it only has sovereignty over its four main islands. Okinotori is not among them. That the US does not conduct sail-by operations there certainly calls into question its broader goals against China and stability in the region. Not to mention that the US is not a signatory to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) under which it claims to operate the sail-by operations.

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