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Liononthehunt Post time: 2018-4-1 15:58
Thanks to the western looters, the summer palace were left in ruins.

Why don't the Chinese Communists thank the Western powers for ridding China of its former oligarchic, kleptocratic, venal vermin?

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zhihu1 Post time: 2018-3-29 11:18
India has been demanding the return of Koh-i-noor, the most famous diamond, stolen by Anglos.

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Odd isn’t it that all of the attention with regards to looted or destroyed cultural relics is centered solely and squarely on the foreign invaders.

Never is there a word of the communist party destroying almost all ancient culture in China in that en year period from the 1960s onwards. Never do we hear of the term ‘that humiliating decade’ when there is discussion of the CR.

Could that be because the period of foreign invasion and the CR are treated quite differently by history books in education ... and that there hardly is ever any discussion of the CR that is allowed?

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coralbay Post time: 2018-4-1 21:08
Odd isn’t it that all of the attention with regards to looted or destroyed cultural relics is cen ...

It's not odd at all. A sovereign nation can decide what to do with its own treasures.
It becomes an entirely different matter when a foreign nation visits genocide upon a sovereign nation
with the aim of pillaging and plundering treasures at their own whim.
Europe is guilty of just that, the "humiliating five centuries of genocide and plunder worldwide".
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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coralbay Post time: 2018-4-2 13:08
Odd isn’t it that all of the attention with regards to looted or destroyed cultural relics is cen ...

re: looted or destroyed cultural relics is centered solely and squarely on the foreign invaders.

Wouldn't YOU say that:
Looting and destroying cultural relics in a foreign Country like the Middle Kingdom by foreign invaders is a different kettle of fish from what happened during China's sociopolitical movement from 1966 until 1976.
International museums must return them because they have no moral right to own and display such masterpieces pillaged long ago to their rightful owners.

This of course is a thorny question for museums in the US and Europe: how many of the objects in their collections were stolen or acquired illegally, and how many should be sent home?



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coralbay Post time: 2018-4-2 13:08
Odd isn’t it that all of the attention with regards to looted or destroyed cultural relics is cen ...

First, you don't understand the difference between the things other people steal and the thing you own but lose or break by yourself.

The former are criminals who committed crimes. Do you understand this if you come from any law-ruled country on the Earth or you are still living in Viking era?

Second, you should go to museums everywhere in China, and those cultural relics created by our ancestors are well-preserved.

You should visit the Summer Palace which was reduced to ruined by Eight Western Invading Nation by fire and arms.

Victor Hugo said, ""Two robbers breaking into a museum. One has looted, the other has burnt. (...) one of the two conquerors filled its pockets, seing that, the other filled its safes; and they came back to Europe laughing hand-in-hand. (...) Before history, one of the bandits will be called France and the other England." In his letter, Hugo hoped that one day France would feel guilty and return what it had plundered from China". (Wikipedia)

Third, when you talk about education, do you want to teach your own children how break into the houses and steal the property of your neighbours', how to robber the passengers with the depraved ridiculous pretexts like, "Oh, honey robber them of their money, or they will lose their wallets".

If Anglos don't return the treasure they looted from other countries, one day you and your children go to visit the British Museums, they would wonder "where are those from"? How would you answer? The museum like British Museum is not a place to display arts, but the classroom to showcase the crimes Anglos committed in China and other nations.

There is not democracy but blatant kratocracy in the West if anyone thrumbs through the history. China, India, etc. should demand the unconditional returns of the treausures robbed by invading nations as well as apologies and compensation. Anglos will therefore win opportunities to be decent people with dignity with moral.

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robert237 Post time: 2018-4-2 13:23
It's not odd at all. A sovereign nation can decide what to do with its own treasures.
It becomes a ...

Yeah, yeah, China is speshall. First it has a history of destroying cultural relics for  x 500 years. Secondly, it was invaded to some extnt by non-Chinese for under a couple of centuries and it is now proud of the cultural legacy left behind these foreigners, such as the German downtown area of Qingdao and the Tsingtao brewery or the mansions in Shanghai's ex-French concession. It has not destroyed these (yet). Bravo! Bravissimo!

But it has stubbornly destroyed native culture for 3 x 500 years, be it in China proper or in conquered territories.

But it had the right to do so, the sovereign right. What a curiously irresponsible attitude you display, Bob.

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emanreus Post time: 2018-4-2 14:04
re:  looted or destroyed cultural relics is centered solely and squarely on the foreign invaders.
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A different kettle of fish, my foot! Then why condemn the Western Allies who destroyed the summer palace? They did that as "sovereign nations" taking revenge against a Chinese feudal upstart (later overthrown by the Chinese people) who provoked this act of war through his own conduct?

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