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emanreus Post time: 2017-11-21 15:08
Indeed, that freedom which counts...

1,300 women in Swedish politics allege harassment 'in the c ...

In China women who complain about harassment no doubt number hundreds of millions... Think of Kim Lee and what she achieved by going public...

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cmknight Post time: 2017-11-21 10:07
It's called Freedom of expression. Something that is supposedly enshrined in the Chinese Constitution. Of course, your government views it as "freedom to express anything we agree with".

As a foreigner, Kate Perry is not entitled to political rights under the Chinese Constitution which applies only to CHINESE CITIZENS. She had absolutely ZERO political rights under the Chinese Constitution because she is not a CHINESE CITIZEN. That's ZERO, NADA, ZILCH, 000000000.

That's true for any Sovereign State in the world, including the U.S.A. For example, Richard Branson was not allowed voting rights in his own companies in the USA because he is a UK citizen. Another example, Rupert Murdoch had to acquire U.S. citizenship before he was allowed to buy ownership stakes in U.S. media companies because he is an Australian citizen. In both cases, neither Richard Branson nor Rupert Murdoch were allowed to exercise their legal rights in their own companies because they're FOREIGNERS in the U.S.A.

Likewise, Katy Perry was barred from entering China for interfering in the internal politics of a Sovereign State in which she had ZERO political rights.

If you're a FOREIGNER, that means you're a FOREIGNER.

Get it?

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sfphoto Post time: 2017-11-21 16:27
As a foreigner, Kate Perry is not entitled to political rights under the Chinese Constitution which ...

True,  foreigners in Switzerland whose parents and grandparents have permanent residence status in the Country, meaning both parents and their offspring were born on Swiss soil are not able to vote in the Country they were born in to and lived in all their live.  
Most of them are Italian, and nearly 80 percent are of European extraction.
It's a  lengthy and expensive process to obtain citizenship and a Swiss passport even though the family put down roots in Switzerland two generations ago.




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emanreus Post time: 2017-11-21 16:45
True,  foreigners in Switzerland whose parents and grandparents have permanent residence status in ...

Same thing applies to the USA. Mexican farm-workers, Canadian visitors, Asian H1-B professionals, European tourists, foreign students, etc. don't have POLITICAL RIGHTS under the U.S. Constitution. In fact, they're only entitled to LEGAL RIGHTS to enter/visit/work/play in the USA depending on their visas which grant those rights for a limited duration of time. They're not even allowed to live permanently in the USA unless they apply for permanent residency (green card). But even after getting their green cards, they are only entitled to LEGAL RIGHTS to participate in the SOCIAL and ECONOMIC life but not in the POLITICAL life of the nation.

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emanreus Post time: 2017-11-21 16:45
True,  foreigners in Switzerland whose parents and grandparents have permanent residence status in ...

Don't roast chestnuts on a Chinese-made cigarette lighter, Old Cow. Just because YOU are denied Swiss citizenship does not make it wrong. You are not Italian, and Italians can obtain Swiss citizenship rights easily. You can't even though your grandparents lived in Switzerland but then again where did they come from and how did the eke out a living? Political refugees?

In China almost no one can become naturalized and exercise any political rights. Almost nobody - save for a few hand-picked foreign communists useful to the Party.  

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emanreus Post time: 2017-11-21 16:45
True,  foreigners in Switzerland whose parents and grandparents have permanent residence status in ...

Don[t try roasting chestnuts with a Chinese-made cigarette lighter, Old Cow. It doesn''t work. If you and your ancestors are still denied Swiss citizenship you are still hundreds of times better off than any other refugee who ends up in China. There they won't be allowed to procreate and to raise children who in turn have children too and who all are denied Chinese citizenship. You would be out of China before your first child was born. Not even if you are invited to work here will you likely be offered the possibility to get naturalized. You will always be a foreigner, unlike foreigners naturalized in Siwtzerland.

Italians can easily obtain a Swiss passport and many have done that. You are not an unlucky foreigner in Switzerland - you simply happen to be an undesirable foreign resident who still enjoys the boundless hospitality of a First-World country

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sfphoto Post time: 2017-11-21 18:14
Same thing applies to the USA. Mexican farm-workers, Canadian visitors, Asian H1-B professionals,  ...
don't have POLITICAL RIGHTS under the U.S. Constitution.


In western democracies there is a difference between formal political rights (such as voting or running in elections), and informal political rights (for example freedom of expression).

For example I bet there were lot of foreigners taking part of Wall street protests few years ago.

The difference between China and west is not so much about handling of political rights, but defining what is included in political rights and what is not.

Same with many other things - for example national security, or human rights.

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