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Post time 2017-10-11 16:26:48 |Display all floors
China's method is not one size fits all. Those with bigger feet will get bigger shoes and those with smaller feet will get smaller shoes. It is need-dependent. There is also a system to check that those in need cannot get more than what they need. So far so good. However for the poor to really get out of poverty, they have to really make use of this opportunity to learn to help themselves and be self sustaining. They cannot keep depending on government's help. Some have already learnt to do business like making use of their culture to bring in tourists for their income. So that is a good start.

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Post time 2017-10-11 18:22:41 |Display all floors
huaqiao Post time: 2017-10-11 16:26
China's method is not one size fits all. Those with bigger feet will get bigger shoes and those with ...
There is also a system to check that those in need cannot get more than what they need.


This may be the ideal and intention of China's system, but in practise - for decades -  it has been that the poor have not been given what they need. Instead it has gone to hands of corrupt, incompetent and inefficient officials at both local and central levels.

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Post time 2017-10-11 18:23:41 |Display all floors
huaqiao Post time: 2017-10-11 16:26
China's method is not one size fits all. Those with bigger feet will get bigger shoes and those with ...
There is also a system to check that those in need cannot get more than what they need.


This may be the ideal and intention of China's system, but in practise - for decades -  it has been that the poor have not been given what they need. Instead it has gone to hands of corrupt, incompetent and inefficient officials at both local and central levels.

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Post time 2017-10-12 13:38:11 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2017-10-11 18:23
This may be the ideal and intention of China's system, but in practise - for decades -  it has b ...

I have seen how the system works to benefit the rural poor but the problem is not the intent but the execution. For example, real- estate developers purchase land from local governments but the proceeds go to the pockets of local officials not the rural villagers whose farm lands had been expropriated by the State for development. Another problem is the lack of public and social goods and services to the rural villagers who end up as migrant workers in big cities. The State policies sound nice but they give too much power of discretion to local officials who abuse their official positions for personal gain. This is an endemic problem in post-Mao China.

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Post time 2017-10-12 15:16:23 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2017-10-11 18:22
This may be the ideal and intention of China's system, but in practise - for decades -  it has b ...

What you have mentioned happened in the past. Maybe there is still some element of such corruption but if you check the news, this form of corruption is slowing down. China's clampdown on corruption has deterred such officials from corruption. Time will tell.

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Post time 2017-10-12 16:06:17 |Display all floors
huaqiao Post time: 2017-10-12 15:16
What you have mentioned happened in the past. Maybe there is still some element of such corruption ...

But that's only Band-Aid. China needs to remove the number one reason for such graft and corruption which is the discretionary power of local officials to grant access to public resources in land sales, licenses, permits, taxes, etc. Those business processes in public administration should be outsourced to third-party e-commerce service providers who could then implement those functions via online services instead of relying on inter-personal relationships or guanxi. That way, this kind of impersonal system effectively disenfranchises those local officials from having any discretionary power over public resources.

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Post time 2017-10-12 16:32:02 |Display all floors
huaqiao Post time: 2017-10-12 15:16
What you have mentioned happened in the past. Maybe there is still some element of such corruption ...

Yes, everyone agrees that it is slowing down.

But still it didn't happen in very distant past, and it happened in such frequency and quantities that without it, China may have eradicated poverty altogether already a decade or more ago.

Therefore while China's efforts to reduce poverty are commendable, I argue that Chinese system itself created and maintained that poverty.

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