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China Finally Invents a Jet Engine as Good as West's [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2017-9-15 14:31:42 |Display all floors
coralbay Post time: 2017-9-15 12:38
More fantasy ...

" It backfired on them -- it forced us (necessity is the mother of all invention ...

coralbay;

you moan and groan,
everybody is at fault,
NOT YOU.
You say:  They LEARNED this knowledge by working in western aviation industries and academic institutions.

Yes they did learn it from you; did they put a gun or head and demand YOU must stop now; only Chinese will try to improve your theory

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Post time 2017-9-15 14:33:47 |Display all floors
emanreus Post time: 2017-9-15 14:31
coralbay;

you moan and groan,

That's a saying around here,

studied in the West, slow motion people returning home

I'm rather certain you are aware of this saying

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Post time 2017-9-16 05:12:32 |Display all floors
coralbay Post time: 2017-9-14 20:38
More fantasy ...

" It backfired on them -- it forced us (necessity is the mother of all invention ...


American scientists, which includes Dr. Quan Xishen, head of Jet Propulsion lab at the time, visited Verner Vaun Braun, Berlin, to learn all about his revolutionary research on jet and rocketry propulsion. Everything was about the piston engine at the time, P-51 Mustanfs, the more powerful the better, it was not until Germany lost the war and scientusts like Verner was captured and put to use by US military in the US that the Americans really got a hand in the science and technology they have today. In other words: we all learn and pick up from everyone else.
Putin's a killer. This was the claim made by Fox News journalist; Bill O'Reilly during his recent interview with Donald Trump. Trump's reply came in the form of a simple question. What, you think our country's so innocent?

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Post time 2017-9-19 02:01:36 |Display all floors
This post was edited by sfphoto at 2017-9-19 02:15
coralbay Post time: 2017-9-15 12:38
More fantasy ...

" It backfired on them -- it forced us (necessity is the mother of all invention ...

Man, are you smoking dope or something?

The vast majority of the tech knowledge that has been introduced to the Chinese aviation industry by returning overseas Chinese scholars. They LEARNED this knowledge by working in western aviation industries and academic institutions.

Wrong. The vast majority of the tech knowhow for defense industries was introduced to China from the Soviet Union: jet fighters, cruise missiles, nuclear weapons, rocket engines, you name it. Overseas Chinese scientists who have acquired Western citizenships were NOT allowed to return to China during the Cold War but were allowed to return to China ONLY after the Cold War to work in CIVILIAN not defense industries.

Other elements were indeed researched by Chinese scientists in China, most likely following the model endorsed by dear old Grandpa Wen - leading to western tech companies in China labelling the official R&D policy as 'Replicate & Duplicate' when they were forced to transfer tech to Chinese industry in their joint ventures when seeking access to the Chinese domestic market.

Those JVs between Western MNCs and Chinese SOEs are allowed only in CIVILIAN not defense industries. To my knowledge, Western defense firms are not allowed to sell their weapons to China, much less enter into joint-venture agreements with Chinese SOEs to transfer their military technology to China.

And then, of course, we have the third strand of China's R&D policy. If its not nailed down, just steal it. State sanctioned. Not publicly but anyone with a brain knows this as fact.

The USA, USSR, UK and France got most of their technology for jet engines, cruise missiles, rocket engines, etc. from Nazi Germany where they were invented. In fact, both the USA and the USSR captured and later employed German Scientists to work for their defense and space industries which led to the development of the USA's Apollo and the USSR's Sputnik space programs. Ditto for their aerospace industries. And what did Western countries do with German patents? They stole them.


If there is one thing that was invented ... it was your claim that Chinese scientists and engineers didn't have to LEARN anything from the west. There was nothing kinky about it ... but you claim was sheer fantasy.

That poster was correct: Chinese scientists and engineers didn't learn anything from the West in DEFENSE industries because they were not allowed to do so. They did learn everything they needed to learn from the former Soviet Union where China got its military technology. If there is one thing that was invented.. it was your claim that Chinese scientists and engineers learned everything about military technology and defense industries from the West.

Any further questions?




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Post time 2017-9-19 06:08:51 |Display all floors
This post was edited by coralbay at 2017-9-19 06:38
sfphoto Post time: 2017-9-19 02:01
Man, are you smoking dope or something?

1. I was referring to single crystal turbine blades for use in jet engines. Who mentioned defense? Well you did when you decided to go done that tangent.

2. Your diversion down yet another tangent to state the USSR was the source is correct just outdated - I was referring to the last decade or two. You probably knew that but decided to ignore it anyway.

3. Back onto your defense industries hobby horse when everyone else was discussing a technology for commercial use. And a stout refusal to accept how technological know how has transferred across borders.

4. If in doubt, switch and compare these illegal actions to the evil west. That makes it all OK. You'd think that there were no R&D developments in the jet engine industry since the 1940's at all the way you and your buds keep dragging this up.
5. The evil west argument: setting a low base and comparing China's own actions with that low base as some kind of justification starts to wear thin. Why not just shout out that China can behave just as badly and remove all pretense of a higher moral ground?

6. The evil west argument also starts to wear thin when you consider where the USSR gained their early knowledge of jet engines. The government trophy hunters in the USSR were just as active. But perhaps a tad slow. I didn't hear the Chinese government (or you) claim that they couldn't possibly take this offer of tech transfer from the USSR because it was stolen technology. Whichreally does nullify the old and tired evil west argument.

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Post time 2017-9-19 07:45:40 |Display all floors
How nice ! Any negativity like pollution in the production ?
Round Up is good for developing the mind

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Post time 2017-9-19 17:07:12 |Display all floors
This post was edited by sfphoto at 2017-9-21 22:46
coralbay Post time: 2017-9-19 06:08
1. I was referring to single crystal turbine blades for use in jet engines. Who mentioned defense?  ...

Edisonone was talking about China's ability to develop the WS-series of jet engines for military use despite Western attempts to block China's access to such technology. He's correct in asserting that China didn't learn from anyone in developing those indigenous jet engines because neither the West nor Russia was interested in transferring such technology to China. The WS-series of jet engines are already being used in the J-series of jet fighters developed in China without the help of foreign companies, Western or Russian. That's a factual assertion not the speculative fantasy that you and other Westerners keep harboring about China's alleged inability to develop jet engines for military use.

To my knowledge, neither Western nor Russian companies were involved in any joint-venture projects with China to develop the WS-series of jet engines. These are wholly indigenous projects where Chinese scientists independently designed, engineered and manufactured these military hardware in China without the involvement of any "Overseas Chinese scientist" trained in the West.

Lastly, let's give credit where credit is due -- Nazi Germany -- is the place of origin for the jet engine where it was invented. The West and the Soviet Union then got their jet engine technology and knowhow from Nazi Germany after WWII while China got theirs from the Soviet Union during the Cold War. But China broke off from the Soviet Union after the Sino-Soviet split in 1960. So everything that has happened since then has been an homegrown affair.

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