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WAR IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE, PEACE ISN'T EITHER - THE KOREAN SINGULARITY. [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2017-8-30 14:15:22 |Display all floors
Both Mattis and Tillerson logically and realistically felt that war is not a solution to the Korean Crisis, unless forced on America by North Korean physical attact.  But the Congress and Senate feel that peace is not a solution either, unless the North Korean regime surrenders or collapses. Therefore, until the Kim regime surrenders or collapses, peace is not a feasible solution, as any peace treaty must be ratified by the House and Senate.  Realistically, war would entail the loss of tens of thousands of lives at the minimum, and is therefore not an option for those tasked with executing it if ordered to do so.

What gives?

It is elementary.  Where actors cannot choose any option, even if they are diametrically opposed to each other, the final outcome ceases to be a matter of choice, and ipso facto becomes a matter of chance.  Hanging in the air between peace and war, the political leadership can only wait for a fortuitous event to force it to either sign a peace treaty or declare war on each other.  They don't need for the false move by one side to trigger a counter-move by the other.  To make the final choice understandable, all they have to do is flip a coin - the ONLY choice is NONE.

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Post time 2017-8-31 18:39:18 |Display all floors
re:  But the Congress and Senate feel that peace is not a solution either,

I'm not surprised at all...
   Congress and Senate are governed from Israel

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Post time 2017-9-1 12:04:50 |Display all floors
Trump has been denied the rights and powers of the presidency by the bipartisan Congress and Senate who have begun to legislate foreign policy over his wishes.  Trump cannot conduct any unapproved diplomacy, especially seeking peace talks with anyone.  He will only be allowed to go to war with approved targets.  Nobody should be surprised that Trump, who campaigned against endless wars, would end up causing some major conflicts that go against his original promises.

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Post time 2017-9-1 14:15:45 |Display all floors
abcfirst Post time: 2017-9-1 12:04
Trump has been denied the rights and powers of the presidency by the bipartisan Congress and Senate  ...

re: Congress and Senate
  If I was Trump and had the Congress and Senate backing me,
we All would visit the North as we do East of Berlin.

Mind you, our construction companies had to hire all them poor Northerners to build all them hotels etc.

They'll be most unhappy: 2014, yes indeed... his life span would be reduced 73

1] Lockheed Martin, Revenue (2014): $45.6 billion
2] Boeing Revenue (2014): $30.7 billion

  3]BAE Systems
Revenue (2014): $26.82 billion
Country of Origin: U.K.
Formed by the £7.7 billion merger of two British companies, BAE Systems is one of the largest suppliers to the U.S. Department of Defense, and defines its “home markets” to be Australia, India, Saudi Arabia, the U.K. BAE Systems is a major producer of parts for the Eurofighter Typhoon as well as the F-35 Lightning II.
4] Raytheon
Revenue (2014): $21.95 billion
Country of Origin: USA
The Massachusetts-based defence giant is best known as the largest manufacturer of guided missiles worldwide. The company is best known for the Patriot surface-to-air missile system, one of the primary missile defense shields for U.S. allies around the world. The Patriot missiles come at a cost of $2-3 million per unit.
5] Northrop Grumman
Revenue (2014): $20.22 billion
Country of Origin: USA
6]  General Dynamics
Revenue (2014): $18.66 billion
Country of Origin: USA
From computer systems and displays, Stinger missiles, and Tomahawk cruise missiles, General Dynamics provides a large portion of the world’s weaponry. One of the company’s best-known weapon is the M1 Abrams tank, a third-generation battle tank that is the primary tank of the US Army and Marine Corps.
7]  United Technologies Corporation
Revenue (2014): $11.9 billion
Country of Origin: USA
UTC has established itself as a major player in both the civilian and military markets, whose products range from aircrafts and helicopters to elevators and escalators. The company is best-known for the UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter, featured in the 2001 film Black Hawk Down. UTC components are currently used in fighters, bombers and trainers of 27 militaries around the world.

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Post time 2017-9-3 17:14:38 |Display all floors
There is the other end even Hobson could not have construed.

A calamity hitting NK whose effect is cascaded by the economic sanctions. Another million-killing famine.

Would the US start the ball rolling by flying tonnes of food into Pyongyang, or would the US take it as an opportunity to test the foundation of the NK administration by doing nothing or would it be doing but in exchange for dismantlement of the nuclear program while knowing that will be considered unacceptable by the administration?

We are in the 21st century. Millions have died throughout the millennia to no end.

Some time the greater wisdom is to let the other guy keep his ego but save his people. They were never part of the geopolitical bargain in any case.

Man creates ideology to kill his kind.

It's all in the mind.

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Post time 2017-9-3 17:25:25 |Display all floors
If Trump is as smart as he thinks of himself, take that scenario i had painted in the other abcfirst thread, sign the peace agreement ahead of US congress, hold the paper up before the world's media, then take it back to Washington.

If the US congressmen (and women) then try to delegitimize it or impeach him, they will have to face the world and provide their reason why they object to the only way to peace and why they retire its peacemaker.

If the US congress can support dictatorship in Saudi Arabia, what's the problem with one in NK? All because of money and arms deals, not even democracy? Tsk times 2.

Meanwhile, be careful of US analysts of the fairer sex. So far, many of their promptings and advisories on US foreign policy are almost monochromatic in stridency.



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