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Utopian world and how to achieve it [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2017-8-6 06:56:15 |Display all floors
Where will the sugar babies come from and who will do stuff if everyone is freed from work?

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Post time 2017-8-6 07:59:52 |Display all floors
You have to have non-military national service. There has to be money but also social credits. Utopia is not a world of lazy hippies lying around anyway. The world government can cover basic needs but in return the citizen must do military or non-military national service. There will always be terrorists and what not and we always need security so you have a military but you also have non-military national service. As long as basic needs are covered there is nothing to complain about for the lower citizens. There needs to be levels of citizenship that ties in with the social credits system. All citizens will have a chip in their brains so security service knows where everyone is and so everyone can be switched off if they become hysterical or commit a crime or whatever. You can stop a charging bull with a chip in its brain so you could do the same with humans. So the world government will not need to use violence really because they wil be able to pacify every citizen by triggering the chip in their brains. All citizens will take the chip after some future war or massive terror attack and from then on all babies will take the chip after they are born. Everyone will have a couple of chips to identify them and they will be able to pay for stuff with them like credit/key cards and there will be just one world currency that all global citizens use. The social credits and citizenship level will determine what zones you can enter. So a lower level citizen will not be allowed to go into certain areas of cities and of they do the world government will know and security will be sent to see what is going on. If a lower citizen works in a restricted zone then they would have a pass for the the hours he was working there. The security themselves would need a pass to work in many areas. So society will be safe as hell. The world government will know where everyone has been and where everyone is at all times. The truth is that there is a great surplus problem and it is very easy to cover everyones basic needs. The world government will provide the living wage which wuill be tied in to the chips and the one world currency and the military/non-military international service.

The big thing has to be equity over so-called equality. There must be order and it must be and can be accepted. There will be regenerative/generatic healthcare, gene editing, etc so people are going to be living for longer but lower level citizens wont be able to afford this kind of stuff. There will also be people upgrading themselves with technology which will include chips in the brain so people will basically be androids and it wont be weird that basic chips go into citizens brains when they are born. Everyone will have chips in their brains but some will be better than others. Some people will live for longer than other because they can afford the healthcare. All of this new technology will help to justify the order but through the social credit system a citizen born to low level citizen parents could earn higher citizenship and gain access to whatever society has to offer and this will be fair enough. The world government will love all citizens but society needs citizens to be loyal to the state. The state is not some seperate thing it represents all citizens So to be loyal to the state is to be loyal to yourself and all other citizens.

The idea of 'upward mobility' is wrong. It is better for there to be two cultures and for the lower culture to be encouraged to feel pride and for them to be allowed to feel that there is nothing wrong with their status. That way it is possible to have class harmony. There needs to be two classes or where will the sugar babies come from and who will do the horrid things that must be done? The horrid things are covered with the social credit system and you get the sugar babies by making that kind of thing nornal and socially acceptable. There is nothing wrong with sex work and it would not be so hard for world government to remove the stigma. The lower citizens will be a lot like the people in The Time Machine. They can have a nice life and still be of value. But you dont need to snatch them or whatever because enough will never be enough but the masses know what they are worth.

But ideally - you would just create a slave class from scratch. It is too random to just let the masses breed. We should want hot slaves not beasts. There are a lot of ugly beats out there and I dont think they are good for anything really. And it is only going to get worse. It doesnt take long to repopulate and there needs to be a big thing to get the chips in all of the citizens brains anyway. So. Great Tribulation is the only way to go. If you were a World Planner.

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Post time 2017-8-6 09:21:34 |Display all floors
The social credits system is important though. It makes society fair. Everyone will be born with zero social credits. Citizens will need to earn them. Sure it will be easier for a person from a wealthy family to earn social credits probably, especially since tax/donations to charity will earn citizens social credits, but a criminal that all of a sudden got a heap of money somehow would likely have no social credits. Even though there will be chips in everyones brains there will still be criminals. They will be crafty I would imagine. Hackers and what not. This is on top of terrorists. And there will also always be crazy people and the mentally ill. A lot of these will be the same people. But yeah anyway - it will be possible to have a lot of money but no social credits which will mean low level citizenship and limited access to what future society has to offer. Every citizen will have a duty to the state as part of the social contract and the citizens that are of most value to the state/society will be the highest level citizens and they will have justified political privilege. There must be order and the order must be fair and just and it can be. All things being equal is not fair and the masses know it. The best payer on a soccer or football team gets paid the big bucks and that is fair. Some players are more valuable than others. And the masses will always feel upset about freeloaders. And the masses want to feel valued. Social credit system encourages citizens to be good citizens. It gives society a soul and makes things about more than money. A citizen doesnt need to be wealthy to be a good person/citizen.

The idea that just being born in a place gives you the rights of the nation needs to be ended. Citizens must earn their rights and the social credit system is the way to manage it all. It shouldnt be just refugees that are on a pathway to full citizenship - it should be all citizens. Social credit system encourages citizens to ask not.

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Post time 2017-8-6 11:01:16 |Display all floors
HailChina! Post time: 2017-8-6 07:59
You have to have non-military national service. There has to be money but also social credits. Utopi ...
the citizen must do military or non-military national service.


Actually I would go further than that. We won't have this "utopian world" as long as we have national states. Once those are gone, against what enemy will the military defend? Aliens?

But of couse there will be still need for police and other entities maintaining public order, and national military services would move to that direction. Not so much to have the inexperienced youth managing all that, but to learn by doing it, so they become better adults.

Beyond that, your statements go to direction that does not merit discussion in this thread.

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