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Post time 2017-8-9 05:39:51 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2017-8-8 10:26
But that breakup would not be the end situation. Many of the separated ethnic nations would appl ...
That's where politicians have to be careful with their campaign promises. Populist aspirations may destroy national structures that have held for hundreds if not thousands of years. If for example UK would break down, who will the historians remember as the prime figure behind it?

That was my point: democratic politics can easily be exploited by populist demagogues to promote ethnic nationalism, as seen in Trump's "Make America White Again!". The neoliberal Capitalist elites who keep promoting "democracy" haven't really learned the bloody history of ethnic nationalism as a by-product of democratic politics which had a fatal flaw: ANYBODY can run for political office and win elections by promoting ethnic nationalism.


They better be careful what they wish for because "democratic politics" means allowing the masses to exercise political power, then what could and did happen was the rise of ethnic nationalism, led by populist demagogues, in Weimar Germany then and in Trump America today.


That's called "shooting yourself in your mouth".

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Post time 2017-8-9 09:20:44 |Display all floors
sfphoto Post time: 2017-8-9 02:12
The reason why democratic politics can lead to a breakup of the EU is due to ethnic nationalism am ...
it can lead to the disintegration of either the multinational EU or multiethnic nations such as the U.K. I stand by my statement that EU elites better come up with something else because the EU is not a "democracy".


I think here we (or Chinese and Europeans in general) may have a defining difference in thinking.

I believe more westerners would think that such disintegrations would cause concern locally and globally, but won't necessarily be that bad after all - something better could be built instead.

Chinese on the other hand prefer (or have no choice but) to hold on to established institutions to their dying breath.

I commented earlier, that in my opinion EU is as much a democracy as invididual member states are democracies, so I don't agree with your statement of EU not being a democracy. From this background, I think that democracy will survive even if EU or member states will not. It is bigger than either of those.

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Post time 2017-8-9 10:48:29 |Display all floors
Jaaja Post time: 2017-8-9 09:20
I think here we (or Chinese and Europeans in general) may have a defining difference in thinking ...

I am just repeating what anti-EU opponents are saying about the non-democratic nature and bureaucratic character of the EU. If the EU elites want to prevent people like Le Pen from exploiting anti-EU sentiments, they better come up with something to redefine "democracy" in EU terms. Otherwise, more and more EU member-states will secede from the EU just like BREXIT.

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Post time 2017-8-9 18:00:49 |Display all floors
sfphoto Post time: 2017-8-9 10:48
I am just repeating what anti-EU opponents are saying about the non-democratic nature and bureaucr ...

Most of the anti-EU commentators are doing exactly the same - repeating what someone else is saying. Themselves they cannot see further than they nose, and if they occassionally do, they only see how much better someone else is doing. And the envy feeds discontent.

As I wrote earlier, this is a inherent property of capitalism. Someone will always have more than you. And when capitalism has generated enough prosperity to share (through socialist features in capitalist system), people have their daily necessities covered and some of them choose to spend their time complaining rather than doing something constructive to improve their own situation.

This is of course good feeding ground for likes of Le Pen. My country Finland has its own of this kind.

Refugee crisis and general anti-immigration sentiments of course contribute to the same thing. Seeing more (apparent) freeloaders just like yourself enter the country is a threat to the level of social welfare that others have so far produced just for you.


If the EU elites want to prevent people like Le Pen from exploiting anti-EU sentiments, they better come up with something to redefine "democracy" in EU terms


That would be very Chinese solution. If something looks bad, hide or block it away instead of fixing it.

I think that European solution should be to address the anti-EU sentiments instead of redefining democracy which gives it a voice.

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