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Post time 2011-3-17 11:27:07 |Display all floors
.........."industrial Agriculture"!

Post 2030, The rivalry between the United States and China will intensify!

Likely scenerio!
We do expect the American to "strengthen" their hold on the "7 dwarf states" and "European Union - especially Germany"! China on the other hand will strive to "increase influence" in the "7 dwarf states", while the European Union will try to remain "independent" via working with BR(I)MS countries!

Manufacturing capability of the US$ zone remain strong!
This is the American Core capacity, and the "protectorate states" Germany, Japan and Korea (half loyal "defeated states of world war 2"). China would likely to "equal" the US$ zone capacity by year 2030, what with expansion of AUTOMOBILE ownership, NEW HOME start ups, and TOURISM. - which has many ancilliary benefits!

Agricultural capability of China versus the United States!
China ability to influence the US$ zone, namely the "7 dwarf states" will depend on the agriculture capability versus that of the Industrial agriculture of the United States.

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Post time 2011-3-17 14:41:55 |Display all floors

The lack of "Farmers", only 2.1 million farming families

......is a BIG DISADVANTAGE for the United States to increase the agriculture yield, agriculture range.

With smaller number of farmers, only large scale farms are operational - they don't have the manpower to do "Aqua culture" farms like in China - where some 9 million citizens are now employed producing some 50 M tonnes of protein!

Industrial Agriculture - and low manpower, means "range of planted, breeding" would be a problem in the United States!

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Post time 2011-3-17 14:44:08 |Display all floors

China based on what we read in China Daily

.......now has 75 million "rural" and "farming" families!

That's a large number of "manpower" and will be able to do "intensive farming" without problem!
High capacity production such as Chicken, Porker, Beef Fattening, Deer, Ostrich, various types of vegetables, flowers, fungi, herbal..........are possible!

And Chinese + Asian Trade Route cuisine does help a lot!

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Post time 2011-3-18 01:39:07 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2011-3-17 14:41
......is a BIG DISADVANTAGE for the United States to increase the agriculture yield, agriculture range.

With smaller number of farmers, only large scale farms are operational - they don't have t ...
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The American farms are far more efficient than that of the Chinese. Nevertheless, they are indeed limited by both land, and people.

United States is not an Agricultural economy, nor a manufacturing economy but one based on Services. So there really isn't much "competition" going on between them.

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Post time 2011-3-18 12:14:38 |Display all floors

Reply #4 cataphract's post

By year 2050, The American State will have more than 450 million people, about 50% more citizen.

Currently, The Americans produce about 350 million tonnes of grains (similar to Indian Agriculture 230 million tonnes of rice, wheat production) - but only has 100 million tonnes of grains, mostly Soya and Corn for exports to mainly Asian Trade Route States and China! With increased population - and greater number of emigration due to shortages in the "Stressed Zones", BR(I)MS, EU, ATRS states - the American surplus will shrink dramatically.

It's hard to estimate the "progress" of "agricultural science" in enhancing crop yields in the United States. Currently, it does appear China's farmers are more productive - 2X more per hectare!

Earlier the South Korean state "tried" to "organize high efficiency farms" in Madagascar but has apparently been twarted by "clandestine forces"!

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Post time 2011-3-19 12:09:34 |Display all floors
Originally posted by greendragon at 2011-3-18 12:14
By year 2050, The American State will have more than 450 million people, about 50% more citizen.

Currently, The Americans produce about 350 million tonnes of grains (similar to Indian Agriculture) - but only has 100 million tonnes of grains, mostly Soya and Corn for exports to mainly Asian Trade Route States and China! With increased population - and greater number of emigration due to shortages in the "Stressed Zones", BR(I)MS, EU, ATRS states - the American surplus will shrink dramatically.

It's hard to estimate the "progress" of "agricultural science" in enhancing crop yields in the United States. Currently, it does appear China's farmers are more productive - 2X more per hectare!

Earlier the South Korean state "tried" to "organize high efficiency farms" in Madagascar but has apparently been twarted by "clandestine forces"!


Well it's simple if you break down the numbers. The total #s don't tell much as they are comparing apples to oranges (literally)

It actually depends entirely on the crop being farmed.
I.e.:


Barley: US and China are on par in efficiency land wise

Wheat: China is 60% more efficient land wise
Cotton Seed: China is 87% more efficient land wise
Cotton: China is 45% more efficient land wise

Course Grain: US is 65% more efficient land wise
Corn: US is 74% more efficient land wise

Oat: US is 75% more efficient land wise
Sorghum: US is 8% more efficient land wise
Rice, probably one of the most important for China: US is 17% more efficient land wise.
Oilseed: US is 18% more efficient land wise
Soybean: US is 57% more efficient land wise
Peanut: US is 14% more efficient land wise


As you can see, in terms of land efficacy, US still has the edge for most major crops

Now that that is out of the way, compare the efficiency in Manpower.
US employs no more than 1 Million farmers, while China employs anywhere between 200-470 Million farmers.

Now I may not know the exact number of the farmers for each specific crop, but... if less than 1 million farmers can produce 54% the crops in tonnage as 200+ Million farmers , I think that says it all for efficacy in man power.

You might not think manpower efficiency is very important to China, but think about what the farmers are going through.

If an American farmer can make 5000$ a month, the equivalent Chinese farmer could only earn 30$ a month. This will never change unless Chinese farms modernize, but that will decrease the number of farmers. It may increase average farmer's pay, but it will most certainly create a lot of jobless people.

So, it is a dilemma.

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Post time 2011-3-21 13:40:28 |Display all floors

Reply #6 cataphract's post

I think USA has 150 million hectares of arable land, another 200 million hectares of RANCHES.
There is 2.1 million farming families in USA.

China has only 150 million farming or rural families (another 220 million are land owners, BUT has lease out the plots for payment equal to Rmb300 to 600 a month! to become migrant workers!) on 150 million hectares of arable land, 300 million hectares pastures and 200 million hectare of forest, mines, oil/gas, coal fields!

I think RICE production, China is WAY AHEAD of USA. (us production is miniscule, so no comparison - coarse grains are just in between season planting).

China LARGER farming family means 50 MILLION tonnes of aquaculture, million of tonnes of FRUITS, VEGETABLES, HERBS, FUNGI, SEA WEEDS, FLOWERS, COMMODITY,  largest pork production - some 60 million tonnes alone!


Industrial agriculture - like Mc Donalds, 7-11 means more "limited range" production!
Larger farmer/rural numbers - BIG DEMAND in cities, Asian Trade Route States, means more DIVERSE RANGE of products, including "high value items" - eg. Shark Fins, Abalone, Clams, Fresh Sea Water caged fish, Shell fish etc.

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