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Post time 2009-3-23 13:29:54 |Display all floors
I think the Portable Water-Sewage treatment industry probably represents a huge part of the modern economy.

Imagine, if China becomes fully urbanized and in modern homes.
It would mean that the KITCHEN, BATHROOM and rooms for sleeping, relaxation.
In some homes, it means garden water sprinkler system, car wash, swimming pool in addition to water to clean, cook as well.

The infrastructure for supplying Water, treating Sewage, wiring the home with electricity, piped in gas for cooking/heating would boost the Chinese economy. However in North China, portable water shortage could be a block on China's progress. Would known technologies to reduce water consumption in the bathroom, such as "water savings toilet, shower closet".

It could mean coated self cleaning super smooth porcelein toilet bowl, for easy to flush systems.
it could mean micro aperture, pressure water showers.
it could be a HUGE INDUSTRY in household fixture.


if a person uses 100 tonnes of water annually in the modern home/commercial/industrial (minus power plants usage or non revenue water leakage) , it could mean China needs 130 km3 of water. At US$1 per tonne for supplying water and cleaning the resultant sewage, it could mean US$130 billion when the infrastructure is fully developed for 1.3 billion people!

imagine, China's economy now is only US$4.2 to US$4.8 trillion annually.


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Post time 2009-3-23 14:05:32 |Display all floors

Is acheiving a US$13 trillion economy that difficult?

With modern financial systems.

modern homes, modern lifestyles.
just building the pipelines, plant alone is a big job!


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Post time 2009-3-23 14:06:27 |Display all floors
North China needs to raise the price of water.  Right now there is no incentive to conserve, it is ludicrously cheap.  Restuarants leave their water running all day.  No one seems to care about leaks.  I had a rather constant drip in my kitchen that my landlord refused to fix.  He told me it didnt matter.  Now I know that landlords can be a pain but he was paying the water bill on this property so it should have been in his interest.  People spray fresh water on the street to keep the dust down.

There should be subsidies for the poor, to make sure they are not left dry but water's cost needs to have some resemblance to its scarcity and ultimate value.

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Post time 2009-3-23 14:47:53 |Display all floors

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Water is a major issue in North China.

I read only 50 Km3 of water flow in Hwang He, and that is supposed to supply Beijing and Tianjin.
Electricity is easy to solve as China has the world largest deposit of coal.
Gas shouldn't be a problem, it's just a matter of pipeline laying......

Grain is not a problem since we have irrigation, and 120 million hectares of arable land.
Meat would not be a problem due to the grass land available, it's only a matter of making tough meat  in beef easier to consume on the Chinese menu. Pork, Fish, chicken is not an issue now, but in future, availability of grain to be used in feed could be an issue.


CREATING the ideal home ideas exhibition in North China cities would be a good idea!
Give the idea first before increasing water prices in stages......


China would be very very busy from now till 2030.

In the meantime, do have the DOCKSHIPs, AIRLIFT capability to protect China allies and friends!
It's getting ugly out there!


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Post time 2009-3-24 12:35:46 |Display all floors

Somehow good data is very lacking and suspicious.

In the internet, newspaper, i find information truly mind boggling and not believeable. Worse, some data on the Amerikan sites are ridiculous.

but in order for us to really understand the REAL THREAT or just PROPAGANDA created by people who have less than sufficient knowledge.
sometimes it gets ridiculous when SCIENTIST, The EDUCATED is "manipulated" by "mindless bureacrat security officers" who has only "nationalist, security conscious credentials". So, a GOOD GUESS is the best weapon by the ORDINARY citizen with a sound and rational mind.

Example, i have terrible time finding information of water resources.
instead of relying on printed data, even government websites, i use some common sense.
looking at rainfall distribution maps, we'll get an idea of the water resources of states.

discussing it online, one seem to be able to get a better picture than "blinding reading reports issued by similar blinkered individuals"

For Malaysia, it was rather easy,
officially the books says water rainfall is around 120 inches, that's about 3 metres.
Malaysia size is 330,000 sq. km. or thereabout,
so, we have probably 1,000 km3 of water resources.

Not all water are portable.
To be portable water needs to be stores in Lakes, Reservoirs, Underground Caverns, or just flows along rivers.
Not all the water gets to reach those water store or rivers; as water is absorbed by the soil, used by vegetation, evaporated.

For Malaysia, I would think overflow to "water stores" or Rivers must be high, maybe 70%....but in dry regions like India or China, water overflow, we can guess it to be 30%.

So, Let's say China has 2,700 km3 (the popular figures used in China Daily)
The water available would be 900 km3.

In Malaya, i think we use around 80 T of water per person in homes, rather wasteful by European or Japanese standards, and industrial users would probaly double that, depending on the industrialization. To irrigate 120 m hectares, we'll need at least  500 km3. So, China has enough water if well managed except the north which will need supplements of recycled water or desalination plants.

I have so much different data about Indian water resources.
But a look at the map, size of India, it's likely that India has only 1,000km3
Available for store is probably low in India, maybe in region of 300km3.

In India, the grain production is only around 60% of China's. India has a lot of cattle, but due to religion, much of these is not eaten, only used to obtain MILK., a productive source of protein (in fact the most productive). Almost 2/3 of that should be for irrigation for that 150 mil hectares of arable land.

Only 100 km3 of water is available for CITIES, URBAN industrial region.
With 1,100 million people, and currently only 20% urbanization........hmmmmm

Let's look at other areas!


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Post time 2009-3-24 12:53:26 |Display all floors

We can imagine the kind of technologies that would be developed in India.

....or should be doing!  In our case, we only need to source or study from ready commercially available technologies to acheive our objectives. It's so much easier. So, don't complaint! For the Indian case, much more work in new technologies. I am sure we will be surprised by the Indians or expect the usual results eventually!



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Post time 2009-6-16 17:30:05 |Display all floors
i have terrible time finding information of water resources.
sonnerie portable gratuite

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