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How a debate 40 years ago paves way for China's modernization? [Copy link] 中文

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Post time 2018-5-16 09:11:32 |Display all floors
robert237 Post time: 2018-5-15 14:32
Back step all you want. It doesn't matter how much of what China exported to the former USSR.
It a ...

It just so happened that the GLF policies caused The PRC’s economy to contract for two full years.

You label this a success.

You claim, erroneously (not even the Chinese government claims this) that the purpose of the GLF was to achieve nuclear weapons. It was not. It was to fast track agricultural -and industrial modernism and output.

The fact that crops were sent to China during his period as part of an agreement made the populations’s situation even worse.

The government achievers its goal of nuclear weapon capability later DESPITE the effects of he GLF. And a considerable number of Chinese paid the price by not having enough to eat.

Your revision of history isn’t even in step with genofficial history of the time or how the government recalls that period of history now.

Only you claim that the GLF was a success. No one else, the not the Chin we government and certainly not the people. Your so misinformed and propagandistic (yourself) it just makes readers here laugh at you.

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Post time 2018-5-16 09:14:25 |Display all floors
coralbay Post time: 2018-5-16 09:11
It just so happened that the GLF policies caused The PRC’s economy to contract for two full years ...

* crops sent to Russia

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Post time 2018-5-16 15:54:56 |Display all floors
coralbay Post time: 2018-5-16 09:11
It just so happened that the GLF policies caused The PRC’s economy to contract for two full years ...

Robert meant that China agreed to ship foodstuffs to the Soviet Union in exchange for atomic bomb technology and expertise. After the Sino-Soviet split in 1960, China then had to complete its atomic bomb project by itself. China relied on the Soviet Union for much of its defense industries during the first 10 years since its founding. Of course, China had to pay for those defense technologies by exporting foodstuffs to the Soviet Union during the GLF.

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Post time 2018-5-16 17:21:01 |Display all floors
sfphoto Post time: 2018-5-16 15:54
Robert meant that China agreed to ship foodstuffs to the Soviet Union in exchange for atomic bomb  ...

Now you are speaking for Bob ....

What you don’t mention is that Bob stated that the purpose of the GLf was to obtain nuclear weapon capability. It was not. Yes China shipped foodstuffs before and during the GLF. But it is more accurat to state that China achieved nuclear capability despite the setbacks of the GLF. Trying to paint the GLF as a successful enterprise is (in his case) not just erroneous but is distorting and revising history (lying) because he cannot and will not accept admitting failure of the party’s policies.

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Post time 2018-5-16 17:33:16 |Display all floors
sfphoto Post time: 2018-5-16 15:54
Robert meant that China agreed to ship foodstuffs to the Soviet Union in exchange for atomic bomb  ...
After the Sino-Soviet split in 1960, China then had to complete its atomic bomb project by itself.


I don't know what Chinese think, but foreign studies of this period suggest that China would not have been able to achieve the nuclear weapon at all, without the early support from Soviet Union.

Personally I agree with those studies to the extent that China could not have completed it completely on her own while Mao lived. Later, perhaps.

But then big if would have been, that starting from Deng, China's economy became increasingly dependant on western markets, and it may not have been politically feasible to develop nukes in middle of that - especially since everyone else was (at least on paper) reducing them. And on paper I mean signing to nuclear disarmament agreements.

Of course, at least Robert would say that USA would have invaded China without the nukes, so later would have been too late anyway.

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Post time 2018-5-16 18:42:14 |Display all floors
Corporal Gay and Zsa Zsa seem to be learning at least a little.
The former USSR would not have helped China obtain nuclear deterrence without all the
goods shipped to Russian during the Great Leap Forward.
With the west's 500 years history of worldwide genocide for land, wealth, and power China
knew it was suicide to trust the west. Mao took control of things and did what it took to
keep China from the jaws of western imperialism.
If capitalism promotes innovation and creativity then why aren't scientists and artists the richest people in a capitalist nation?

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Post time 2018-5-18 07:41:45 |Display all floors
It often takes 50 years (sometimes 100!) before people calm down and the truth emerges. I do think that (on balance) the CPC has benefited China. Its terrible mistakes are out-weighed by its organizing ability. The Kuomintang was less efficient and more corrupt. The effectiveness of the CPC was because of its creation of trained and disciplined cadres not because of Marxism.
My problem is simple: I just know better than everyone-else!

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