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Is there drug testing in China or other nations?

There's several different types of "drug testing".

Firstly there is employer based drug tests, for example many companies reserve the right to perform regular and random drug tests for illegal drugs on members of staff, especially those who are professional drivers (eg delivery drivers, long haul drivers etc), miners and other jobs where drug usage may leave the company open to large lawsuits for compensation using the corporate negligence charge.

Second is the random drug testing of road users.  In Australia most states perform both random alcohol breath tests and drug tests via saliva. If the driver under test fails the kerbside test they are taken to either a "booze bus" or police station for full breath and drug testing.  People have a right to refuse but if they do they will be automatically found guilty and fined the maximum fine plus maximum license loss in most cases.  People may however, elect to have the analysis done via blood sample rather than other methods.

Non random tests are performed on all vehicle drivers in the case of serious motor accidents where people are injured, killed or if the damage to vehicles is above a specified value. Non random tests can also be given if a Police officer suspects a driver is under the influence.

The current main target drug groups are: alcohol, amphetimies (meth, etc), herion, marijuana and I believe ecstacy.
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There's several different types of "drug testing".

Firstly there is employer based drug tests, for ...

The point I was trying to make on this thread is why certain substances (like pot) are tested for, when in reality there is no "formula" to definitively say a person is "too high".
These tests just notes it is in a persons system and does not address if the person is affected enough to be "unemployable".
The legal aspects I was trying to reason, is that certain substances (like pot) are harmless compared to other "legal" substances like alcohol, cigarettes and even aspirin.
The demonetization of these substances are directly attributed to capitalistic interests of big pharma.

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There's several different types of "drug testing".

Firstly there is employer based drug tests, for ...

p.s to mod's....
Why are you letting Seneca delete my posts?
Could you please inform him to keep off my threads
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UYA Post time: 2017-11-15 09:48
p.s to mod's....
Why are you letting Seneca delete my posts?
Could you please inform him to keep o ...

Seneca cannot delete your posts or any other users posts, only the moderators can do that and only in the topic area where they are listed.  For example I cannot delete any posts ourside of the Everyday life area.

To reply regarding pot.  In nations where it's use is illegal they don't have to worry about driving with a given amount, any amount will in your system will result in an offence and some form of police action.  Also there are enough "studies" by independent groups such as universities, the US FAA and other aircraft regulatory bodies to show that any amount of THC in the system has an adverse effect on reaction times and the ability to control a vehicle or aircraft, boat and so on. I was part of one study in the early 80s for pot and alcohol and driving. The results were quite eye opening.
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I cannot do that as it's beyond my control.

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Drug testing is GREAT

Half of TTC employees who failed random drug test in first 6 months tested positive for pot
About 2% of 1,269 employees tested positive for drugs or alcohol since May
By Nicole Brockbank, CBC News Posted: Nov 15, 2017 5:00 AM ET



Just over half of the 22 Toronto Transit Commission (TTC) employees who've failed a random drug and alcohol test since the controversial new policy came into effect six months ago tested positive for marijuana.

Overall the number of failed tests is quite low. CBC Toronto obtained the latest numbers from the TTC and only two per cent of the 1,269 employees tested since May were found non-compliant for alcohol or drugs.

Five employees have failed the test due to alcohol and 17 have failed for various drugs.

TTC CEO Andy Byford admits that's not a "huge amount," but says it's still too many considering that these employees work in "safety critical roles."  

Those roles include bus and subway operators, maintenance workers, supervisors, managers and executives. In terms of operators, five of them have failed the test — all for drugs.



Twelve TTC employees have been found non-compliant for marijuana through an oral swab test that measures the level of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in their system.


THC is the main psychoactive substance in cannabis. TTC workers only fail the drug test if their saliva samples show they have 10 or more nanograms of the drug per millilitre in their blood.

That threshold actually makes for a "fairly conservative test," according to a scientist from the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health (CAMH) who's studying the effects of smoking cannabis and driving.

"I think setting a level at 10 means that you really don't want what we call false positives," said Dr. Robert Mann. "If an occasional user smoked a cannabis joint on a Saturday night, I don't think they'd be anywhere near 10 nanograms per millilitre on a Monday morning."


Mann says research shows the zone of impairment actually extends below 10 nanograms. The range is generally considered to be two-to-five nanograms of THC per millilitre of blood, according to the scientist.

"You have expert panels judging that's roughly equivalent to 0.05 to 0.08 blood alcohol content," Mann told CBC Toronto.


The legislation is set to create new drug-related offences for motorists. A driver who is found to have at least two nanograms but less than five nanograms of THC per millilitre of blood could face a fine of up to $1,000.

Whereas a driver who has a blood level of more than five nanograms of THC will face a fine and the possibility of jail time under the proposed legislation.

To be safely under two nanograms of THC, Mann suggests waiting four to six hours after smoking a joint before driving.

Is the TTC test tough enough?

Asked whether the TTC's test might not go far enough to catch those who are impaired, Byford told CBC Toronto the commission's testing "is designed to test for impairment at the point of commencing duty, or at the point of the test" and "is based on scientific advice that we've taken."

"We're not interested in what people do on the weekend, that's rightly their business" said Byford. "But what we are interested in is public safety."

The TTC has fired 18 of the 25 employees who have either tested positive for drugs or alcohol or refused to do the test . Five workers are currently suspended, and two cases are pending a decision.

Right now the TTC is the only transit service in Canada to mandate random drug and alcohol testing for employees. But another GTA service could follow suit.

Metrolinx has formed a committee to review its processes for determining fitness for duty, including the possibility of random drug testing.

The provincial agency, in charge of GO Transit and the Union-Pearson Express, says it's monitoring the TTC's policy very closely.
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